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Breaking News: Springfield MO officer shot, in serious condition

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posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 08:38 AM
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www.nationalreview.com...

The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund (NLEOMF) reports that a total of 1,501 law-enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past ten years, an average of one death every 58 hours, or 150 per year. These include local and state police officers, federal officers, correctional officers, and military law-enforcement officers.

Fact: Last year, 100 law-enforcement officers were killed. On average, over the past decade, there have been 58,261 assaults against law enforcement each year, resulting in 15,658 injuries.

Fact: New York City has lost more officers in the line of duty than any other department, with 697 deaths. Texas has lost 1,675 officers, more than any other state.

Just this week, NLEOMF released preliminary fatality statistics from August 2013 to August 2014. Total fatalities are up 14 percent, from 63 last year to 72 this year. “Five officers were killed in ambushes, which continue to be a major threat to law enforcement safety,” the group notes.




posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 08:40 AM
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Looks like swat loaded him into a transport van for a trip to county jail.

Now we wait to see if the officer survives.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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I have had probably 8-10 encounters with the police, in 4 different states, and in each case I was treated with complete professionalism. Don't be a stooopid criminal and show a little respect and ye shall receive it back as well. Hope this officer makes a full recovery.

ID



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:06 AM
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Update - This might not be over.


UPDATE: The Springfield Police Department confirms that they have one subject in custody for questioning. A male was hiding in the fenced-in auto lot just east of Panda Express near Glenstone and Chestnut.

His involvement with this morning’s officer-involved shooting is not yet confirmed; therefore his identity is not yet being released, and we are not referring to him as a suspect at this point. The search for the shooter continues.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:12 AM
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originally posted by: ItalianDressing
I have had probably 8-10 encounters with the police, in 4 different states, and in each case I was treated with complete professionalism. Don't be a stooopid criminal and show a little respect and ye shall receive it back as well. Hope this officer makes a full recovery.

ID


I've probably had 2-3 run ins with the police, over 2 different continents, and in each case I was treated like a criminal, guilty before charged. Shown absolutely no respect whatsoever, and it's not in my genes to lick boots. Not even AT&T customer service treats you as good as how you're depicting your encounters. They get pissed off if you don't call them sir. I can link you a hundred YouTube videos showing cops being dicks to little kids, handicapped folks, defenseless women, etc.
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posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:16 AM
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originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ItalianDressing
I have had probably 8-10 encounters with the police, in 4 different states, and in each case I was treated with complete professionalism. Don't be a stooopid criminal and show a little respect and ye shall receive it back as well. Hope this officer makes a full recovery.

ID


I've probably had 2-3 run ins with the police, over 2 different continents, and in each case I was treated like a criminal, guilty before charged. Shown absolutely no respect whatsoever, and it's not in my genes to lick boots.
Everyone has their own unique experiences. Don't let 2-3 encounters paint ALL LEOs in a bad light for you. I've had multiple encounters with U.S. LEOs, and Japanese LEOs, and each time I was treated like a human being and afforded the same respect I gave out.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Terrific. And I can tell you hundreds of stories of buying cookies for a kid, or buying a slurpee for a kid, or filling up a kid's bike tire with air so he doesn't have to push it home, and on and on and on.

There's two sides to everything. The vast majority of people aren't going to whip out their phone and take a video of a cop handing a cookie to a kid. The news doesn't care. They only care if it's something antagonistic. And let's be honest, there's plenty of videos out there of people being jerks to cops for no real reason other than they think it makes them cool.

You can be polite and cordial without being a boot licker. It's called common decency.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ItalianDressing
I have had probably 8-10 encounters with the police, in 4 different states, and in each case I was treated with complete professionalism. Don't be a stooopid criminal and show a little respect and ye shall receive it back as well. Hope this officer makes a full recovery.

ID


I've probably had 2-3 run ins with the police, over 2 different continents, and in each case I was treated like a criminal, guilty before charged. Shown absolutely no respect whatsoever, and it's not in my genes to lick boots.
Everyone has their own unique experiences. Don't let 2-3 encounters paint ALL LEOs in a bad light for you. I've had multiple encounters with U.S. LEOs, and Japanese LEOs, and each time I was treated like a human being and afforded the same respect I gave out.


It's hard not to stereotype all cops in today's age. 30 years ago things were different, cops weren't militarized then and more entrenched and well known in their communities. Obviously I'm not going to do any criminal acts or blatantly disrespect a cop either, I'm well into my 40s and educated. But I'm not going to go out of my way to treat them with any sort of seniority or star struck worship. Only a judge in a court of law deserves that kind of "yes your highness" treatment as far as I'm concerned cops have no right to talk to you without your lawyer present recording them.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Terrific. And I can tell you hundreds of stories of buying cookies for a kid, or buying a slurpee for a kid, or filling up a kid's bike tire with air so he doesn't have to push it home, and on and on and on.

There's two sides to everything. The vast majority of people aren't going to whip out their phone and take a video of a cop handing a cookie to a kid. The news doesn't care. They only care if it's something antagonistic. And let's be honest, there's plenty of videos out there of people being jerks to cops for no real reason other than they think it makes them cool.

You can be polite and cordial without being a boot licker. It's called common decency.


Like I told the anime avatar user above, I don't break any laws and I'm not going to start, but I think all civilians have the right to treat cops very suspiciously and not comply without a lawyer present because they have been constantly militarizing themselves and the number of people being shot by police has dramatically risen every single decade since their militarization. Their candy giving and puppy hugging is all Public Relations, and entire departments exist specifically for that purpose. But you can not tell me something is very wrong with police mentality these days. Armored personnel carriers to carry out warrants for the most mundane and useless cases, huge waste of taxpayer money on top of their bad attitudes. Maybe you live in a small town and they are still humble.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Terrific. And I can tell you hundreds of stories of buying cookies for a kid, or buying a slurpee for a kid, or filling up a kid's bike tire with air so he doesn't have to push it home, and on and on and on.

There's two sides to everything. The vast majority of people aren't going to whip out their phone and take a video of a cop handing a cookie to a kid. The news doesn't care. They only care if it's something antagonistic. And let's be honest, there's plenty of videos out there of people being jerks to cops for no real reason other than they think it makes them cool.

You can be polite and cordial without being a boot licker. It's called common decency.


Like I told the anime avatar user above, I don't break any laws and I'm not going to start, but I think all civilians have the right to treat cops very suspiciously and not comply without a lawyer present because they have been constantly militarizing themselves and the number of people being shot by police has dramatically risen every single decade since their militarization. Their candy giving and puppy hugging is all Public Relations, and entire departments exist specifically for that purpose. But you can not tell me something is very wrong with police mentality these days. Armored personnel carriers to carry out warrants for the most mundane and useless cases, huge waste of taxpayer money on top of their bad attitudes. Maybe you live in a small town and they are still humble.
I'm just the "Anime Avatar User"? Can't even call me by my name? You could at least call me Railgun or something. I'm sad now.

On topic: Nobody is saying there's not a problem with the police militarization these days. It's a scary prospect. But there are tons and tons of decent, respectful cops out there. These cops have wives, husbands, kids, friends. 99% of them just want to do their jobs and go home at the end of the day alive. They aren't looking to kick teeth in, or make you lick their boots. I've got few friends back home in the U.S. who are cops, and they have told me that even they don't like that their departments are militarizing. Yes there is corruption and overreaching in the LEO community, but to stereotype them all is wrong.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Yea no I can honestly say I never threw a kid's bike in my trunk or bought a kid a cookie because I though "gee this will make everybody like me better and will be great PR!"

When you apply one line of thought to an entire group of people that is made up of all kinds of backgrounds, it's a fail out of the gate. Maybe it makes you feel better or whatever. Don't know.

Are there issues with law enforcement? Yep.

Is every last person with a badge in on it? Nope.

But I don't expect that to resonate with anybody who blithely applies the broad brush to an entire career field.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Yea no I can honestly say I never threw a kid's bike in my trunk or bought a kid a cookie because I though "gee this will make everybody like me better and will be great PR!"

When you apply one line of thought to an entire group of people that is made up of all kinds of backgrounds, it's a fail out of the gate. Maybe it makes you feel better or whatever. Don't know.

Are there issues with law enforcement? Yep.

Is every last person with a badge in on it? Nope.

But I don't expect that to resonate with anybody who blithely applies the broad brush to an entire career field.


They have the power to kill you. Of course I will paint them all with the same brush, because they all have the same training and the same institutional problems whether you are in Kathmandu, Timbuktu or West Hollywood. These people are dangerous and looking for a reason to kill you, fine you, or throw you in prison. And most departments don't even wear body cameras, Jee I wonder why. They can afford tanks but not body cameras.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Terrific. And I can tell you hundreds of stories of buying cookies for a kid, or buying a slurpee for a kid, or filling up a kid's bike tire with air so he doesn't have to push it home, and on and on and on.

There's two sides to everything. The vast majority of people aren't going to whip out their phone and take a video of a cop handing a cookie to a kid. The news doesn't care. They only care if it's something antagonistic. And let's be honest, there's plenty of videos out there of people being jerks to cops for no real reason other than they think it makes them cool.

You can be polite and cordial without being a boot licker. It's called common decency.


Like I told the anime avatar user above, I don't break any laws and I'm not going to start, but I think all civilians have the right to treat cops very suspiciously and not comply without a lawyer present because they have been constantly militarizing themselves and the number of people being shot by police has dramatically risen every single decade since their militarization. Their candy giving and puppy hugging is all Public Relations, and entire departments exist specifically for that purpose. But you can not tell me something is very wrong with police mentality these days. Armored personnel carriers to carry out warrants for the most mundane and useless cases, huge waste of taxpayer money on top of their bad attitudes. Maybe you live in a small town and they are still humble.
I'm just the "Anime Avatar User"? Can't even call me by my name? You could at least call me Railgun or something. I'm sad now.

On topic: Nobody is saying there's not a problem with the police militarization these days. It's a scary prospect. But there are tons and tons of decent, respectful cops out there. These cops have wives, husbands, kids, friends. 99% of them just want to do their jobs and go home at the end of the day alive. They aren't looking to kick teeth in, or make you lick their boots. I've got few friends back home in the U.S. who are cops, and they have told me that even they don't like that their departments are militarizing. Yes there is corruption and overreaching in the LEO community, but to stereotype them all is wrong.


So how are we as a defenseless civilian society supposed to correct this trajectory if we don't stereotype them? How the hell are we supposed to single out each bad cop and then force a change on a whole department? SS soldiers had families too.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Yea no I can honestly say I never threw a kid's bike in my trunk or bought a kid a cookie because I though "gee this will make everybody like me better and will be great PR!"

When you apply one line of thought to an entire group of people that is made up of all kinds of backgrounds, it's a fail out of the gate. Maybe it makes you feel better or whatever. Don't know.

Are there issues with law enforcement? Yep.

Is every last person with a badge in on it? Nope.

But I don't expect that to resonate with anybody who blithely applies the broad brush to an entire career field.


They have the power to kill you. Of course I will paint them all with the same brush, because they all have the same training and the same institutional problems whether you are in Kathmandu, Timbuktu or West Hollywood. These people are dangerous and looking for a reason to kill you, fine you, or throw you in prison. And most departments don't even wear body cameras, Jee I wonder why. They can afford tanks but not body cameras.
Are you one of those guys who demands a lawyer be present for a simple traffic stop? I'm asking honestly.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Yea no I can honestly say I never threw a kid's bike in my trunk or bought a kid a cookie because I though "gee this will make everybody like me better and will be great PR!"

When you apply one line of thought to an entire group of people that is made up of all kinds of backgrounds, it's a fail out of the gate. Maybe it makes you feel better or whatever. Don't know.

Are there issues with law enforcement? Yep.

Is every last person with a badge in on it? Nope.

But I don't expect that to resonate with anybody who blithely applies the broad brush to an entire career field.


They have the power to kill you. Of course I will paint them all with the same brush, because they all have the same training and the same institutional problems whether you are in Kathmandu, Timbuktu or West Hollywood. These people are dangerous and looking for a reason to kill you, fine you, or throw you in prison. And most departments don't even wear body cameras, Jee I wonder why. They can afford tanks but not body cameras.
Are you one of those guys who demands a lawyer be present for a simple traffic stop? I'm asking honestly.


I've never been stopped in traffic, and yes I would. Now you are going to stereotype me as "one of those guys" ? I'm a civilian, a tax payer who funds their #ery.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Yea no I can honestly say I never threw a kid's bike in my trunk or bought a kid a cookie because I though "gee this will make everybody like me better and will be great PR!"

When you apply one line of thought to an entire group of people that is made up of all kinds of backgrounds, it's a fail out of the gate. Maybe it makes you feel better or whatever. Don't know.

Are there issues with law enforcement? Yep.

Is every last person with a badge in on it? Nope.

But I don't expect that to resonate with anybody who blithely applies the broad brush to an entire career field.


They have the power to kill you. Of course I will paint them all with the same brush, because they all have the same training and the same institutional problems whether you are in Kathmandu, Timbuktu or West Hollywood. These people are dangerous and looking for a reason to kill you, fine you, or throw you in prison. And most departments don't even wear body cameras, Jee I wonder why. They can afford tanks but not body cameras.
Are you one of those guys who demands a lawyer be present for a simple traffic stop? I'm asking honestly.


I've never been stopped in traffic, and yes I would. Now you are going to stereotype me as "one of those guys" ? I'm a civilian, a tax payer who funds their #ery.
Well if we're stereotyping...

I have a feeling your attitude towards LEOs in general is the cause of your bad experiences. You mentioned that you don't have call an LEO "Sir" or "M'am". That's very true, actually, but I call EVERYONE "sir" or "M'am". Especially if I'm just meeting them. Doesn't matter if it's some coked-out homeless guy or a Police Officer, everyone in my book gets at least THAT much respect. My parents raised me well, I guess. It's fine to know and want to exercise your rights, but I get the feeling that you're disrespecting officers before they even get a chance to show you they're decent people.

I could be wrong, of course. But consider this. If I were an LEO, and I pulled you over for speeding and you tried to get all legalese on me and start demanding lawyers and generally being a disrespectful jerk and wasting my time, I'd probably be less likely wear my kid gloves when handling you. Just saying.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 11:09 AM
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originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Terrific. And I can tell you hundreds of stories of buying cookies for a kid, or buying a slurpee for a kid, or filling up a kid's bike tire with air so he doesn't have to push it home, and on and on and on.

There's two sides to everything. The vast majority of people aren't going to whip out their phone and take a video of a cop handing a cookie to a kid. The news doesn't care. They only care if it's something antagonistic. And let's be honest, there's plenty of videos out there of people being jerks to cops for no real reason other than they think it makes them cool.

You can be polite and cordial without being a boot licker. It's called common decency.


Like I told the anime avatar user above, I don't break any laws and I'm not going to start, but I think all civilians have the right to treat cops very suspiciously and not comply without a lawyer present because they have been constantly militarizing themselves and the number of people being shot by police has dramatically risen every single decade since their militarization. Their candy giving and puppy hugging is all Public Relations, and entire departments exist specifically for that purpose. But you can not tell me something is very wrong with police mentality these days. Armored personnel carriers to carry out warrants for the most mundane and useless cases, huge waste of taxpayer money on top of their bad attitudes. Maybe you live in a small town and they are still humble.
I'm just the "Anime Avatar User"? Can't even call me by my name? You could at least call me Railgun or something. I'm sad now.

On topic: Nobody is saying there's not a problem with the police militarization these days. It's a scary prospect. But there are tons and tons of decent, respectful cops out there. These cops have wives, husbands, kids, friends. 99% of them just want to do their jobs and go home at the end of the day alive. They aren't looking to kick teeth in, or make you lick their boots. I've got few friends back home in the U.S. who are cops, and they have told me that even they don't like that their departments are militarizing. Yes there is corruption and overreaching in the LEO community, but to stereotype them all is wrong.


So how are we as a defenseless civilian society supposed to correct this trajectory if we don't stereotype them? How the hell are we supposed to single out each bad cop and then force a change on a whole department? SS soldiers had families too.


Lol and I'm done here. I guess life is easier when you can convince yourself everybody else is the problem and it has nothing to do with yourself, eh?

️Deuces



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Yea no I can honestly say I never threw a kid's bike in my trunk or bought a kid a cookie because I though "gee this will make everybody like me better and will be great PR!"

When you apply one line of thought to an entire group of people that is made up of all kinds of backgrounds, it's a fail out of the gate. Maybe it makes you feel better or whatever. Don't know.

Are there issues with law enforcement? Yep.

Is every last person with a badge in on it? Nope.

But I don't expect that to resonate with anybody who blithely applies the broad brush to an entire career field.


They have the power to kill you. Of course I will paint them all with the same brush, because they all have the same training and the same institutional problems whether you are in Kathmandu, Timbuktu or West Hollywood. These people are dangerous and looking for a reason to kill you, fine you, or throw you in prison. And most departments don't even wear body cameras, Jee I wonder why. They can afford tanks but not body cameras.
Are you one of those guys who demands a lawyer be present for a simple traffic stop? I'm asking honestly.


I've never been stopped in traffic, and yes I would. Now you are going to stereotype me as "one of those guys" ? I'm a civilian, a tax payer who funds their #ery.
Well if we're stereotyping...

I have a feeling your attitude towards LEOs in general is the cause of your bad experiences. You mentioned that you don't have call an LEO "Sir" or "M'am". That's very true, actually, but I call EVERYONE "sir" or "M'am". Especially if I'm just meeting them. Doesn't matter if it's some coked-out homeless guy or a Police Officer, everyone in my book gets at least THAT much respect. My parents raised me well, I guess. It's fine to know and want to exercise your rights, but I get the feeling that you're disrespecting officers before they even get a chance to show you they're decent people.

I could be wrong, of course. But consider this. If I were an LEO, and I pulled you over for speeding and you tried to get all legalese on me and start demanding lawyers and generally being a disrespectful jerk and wasting my time, I'd probably be less likely wear my kid gloves when handling you. Just saying.


Now you're just taking your hypotheticals to the extreme...you're going to get physical with me during a traffic stop if I ask for a lawyer? What if you are harassing me from the get go? Like I said many times, I don't go out of my way to break the law. If I was speeding I'm man enough to take the ticket. But if you start saying, "oh boy I smell something weird is it okay if we search you and your car type nonsense then yes I will be calling my lawyer right away because cops are afraid of lawyers. IYou said even your cop friend is bothered by the rising militarization. So how are we going to stop it when non-cops such as yourself and the other skeletor avatar guy keep brushing their crimes under the rug and using cute semantic word play to defend them? They're all puppy huggers and lollipop hander outers.

I don't call homeless people sir or madame.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Terrific. And I can tell you hundreds of stories of buying cookies for a kid, or buying a slurpee for a kid, or filling up a kid's bike tire with air so he doesn't have to push it home, and on and on and on.

There's two sides to everything. The vast majority of people aren't going to whip out their phone and take a video of a cop handing a cookie to a kid. The news doesn't care. They only care if it's something antagonistic. And let's be honest, there's plenty of videos out there of people being jerks to cops for no real reason other than they think it makes them cool.

You can be polite and cordial without being a boot licker. It's called common decency.


Like I told the anime avatar user above, I don't break any laws and I'm not going to start, but I think all civilians have the right to treat cops very suspiciously and not comply without a lawyer present because they have been constantly militarizing themselves and the number of people being shot by police has dramatically risen every single decade since their militarization. Their candy giving and puppy hugging is all Public Relations, and entire departments exist specifically for that purpose. But you can not tell me something is very wrong with police mentality these days. Armored personnel carriers to carry out warrants for the most mundane and useless cases, huge waste of taxpayer money on top of their bad attitudes. Maybe you live in a small town and they are still humble.
I'm just the "Anime Avatar User"? Can't even call me by my name? You could at least call me Railgun or something. I'm sad now.

On topic: Nobody is saying there's not a problem with the police militarization these days. It's a scary prospect. But there are tons and tons of decent, respectful cops out there. These cops have wives, husbands, kids, friends. 99% of them just want to do their jobs and go home at the end of the day alive. They aren't looking to kick teeth in, or make you lick their boots. I've got few friends back home in the U.S. who are cops, and they have told me that even they don't like that their departments are militarizing. Yes there is corruption and overreaching in the LEO community, but to stereotype them all is wrong.


So how are we as a defenseless civilian society supposed to correct this trajectory if we don't stereotype them? How the hell are we supposed to single out each bad cop and then force a change on a whole department? SS soldiers had families too.


Lol and I'm done here. I guess life is easier when you can convince yourself everybody else is the problem and it has nothing to do with yourself, eh?

️Deuces


Tired of your beating for the day? I haven't broken a single law, the problem is not me, it's a billion dollar death squad industry that is getting donated armored personnel carriers and not standing up for us civilians in the face of our rights being stripped away. They are law breaking sado masochists at the worst of the spectrum according to many cases of bad cops running rampant in the system, how does that compare to a law abiding civilian like myself?



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: Mehmet666Heineken

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: Mehmet666Heineken

Yea no I can honestly say I never threw a kid's bike in my trunk or bought a kid a cookie because I though "gee this will make everybody like me better and will be great PR!"

When you apply one line of thought to an entire group of people that is made up of all kinds of backgrounds, it's a fail out of the gate. Maybe it makes you feel better or whatever. Don't know.

Are there issues with law enforcement? Yep.

Is every last person with a badge in on it? Nope.

But I don't expect that to resonate with anybody who blithely applies the broad brush to an entire career field.


They have the power to kill you. Of course I will paint them all with the same brush, because they all have the same training and the same institutional problems whether you are in Kathmandu, Timbuktu or West Hollywood. These people are dangerous and looking for a reason to kill you, fine you, or throw you in prison. And most departments don't even wear body cameras, Jee I wonder why. They can afford tanks but not body cameras.
Are you one of those guys who demands a lawyer be present for a simple traffic stop? I'm asking honestly.


I've never been stopped in traffic, and yes I would. Now you are going to stereotype me as "one of those guys" ? I'm a civilian, a tax payer who funds their #ery.
Well if we're stereotyping...

I have a feeling your attitude towards LEOs in general is the cause of your bad experiences. You mentioned that you don't have call an LEO "Sir" or "M'am". That's very true, actually, but I call EVERYONE "sir" or "M'am". Especially if I'm just meeting them. Doesn't matter if it's some coked-out homeless guy or a Police Officer, everyone in my book gets at least THAT much respect. My parents raised me well, I guess. It's fine to know and want to exercise your rights, but I get the feeling that you're disrespecting officers before they even get a chance to show you they're decent people.

I could be wrong, of course. But consider this. If I were an LEO, and I pulled you over for speeding and you tried to get all legalese on me and start demanding lawyers and generally being a disrespectful jerk and wasting my time, I'd probably be less likely wear my kid gloves when handling you. Just saying.


Now you're just taking your hypotheticals to the extreme...you're going to get physical with me during a traffic stop if I ask for a lawyer? What if you are harassing me from the get go? Like I said many times, I don't go out of my way to break the law. If I was speeding I'm man enough to take the ticket. But if you start saying, "oh boy I smell something weird is it okay if we search you and your car type nonsense then yes I will be calling my lawyer right away because cops are afraid of lawyers. IYou said even your cop friend is bothered by the rising militarization. So how are we going to stop it when non-cops such as yourself and the other skeletor avatar guy keep brushing their crimes under the rug and using cute semantic word play to defend them? They're all puppy huggers and lollipop hander outers.

I don't call homeless people sir or madame.
Did I say I'd get physical? No I didn't. I simply said I'd be less likely to wear kid gloves. You hassle me, I hassle right back. And speaking of stereotyping, I believe neither of us had stated that "All LEOs are puppy huggers". We BOTH said there are bad cops, and there's corruption. But when you blame an entire group for the action of a few... Well, you're limiting your worldview. You're letting your personal feelings get in the way of what should be a rational assessment of the bigger picture. Yeah there are dirty cops and corrupt departments. No, fixing it will not be easy.

It takes a certain type of person who blames the entire group for the actions of a few. They're usually racists, sexists, etc.

I'm not calling you a racist or a sexist, but that's the path you tread when you blame everyone for something only a few have done.




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