If we're just awareness then there's no free-will and slavery is perfectly OK

originally posted by: arpgme

originally posted by: AllIsOne

originally posted by: arpgme
We are just consciousness …

Since nobody knows what consciousness is, the "just" is a little misleading … ;-)

So if we are consciousness then you can't know yourself and enlightenment would be an impossibility.

A good start would be writing your definition of "consciousness", so we can actually talk about the same phenomenon.

I give you a blanket statement to handle the problem:

"For anything to exist, everything must exist"

Good, bad, and all in between, otherwise, there would be nothing if all was not possible.

We just have to live with the unsavoury things, it is apart of life, and we cannot escape it unless we decide to join/participate in a "realm" (a place that was created intentionally) that has rules that structure its reality and prevent nasty things from happening. Such a place is beautiful, but you are restricted (you are not totally free) because rules exist there.

There are many that have come from "realms" and they are the result of another being intentionally creating them, they suffer from "temptation" to break the rules of their realities, and when they "fall" they are sent to a place such as Earth where chaos/chance exits, being ill-equiped to handle such a reality, they are sent back scarred and traumatised and they long to return to thier home realms and promise never to break the rules again.

For those beings that came into existence without a creator (random-spawn) they develop their own coping mechanisms (such as instinct to react to dangerous scenarios and amnesia to forget painful experiences) to deal with uncertainty, and some of them are ridiculously powerful and beautiful beings having the ability to grow and adapt.

a reply to: AllIsOne

Consciousness: Being aware, the observer/perceiver, also called "the being not the doer".

Some people are just too stupid to understand counsiousness and god are the same thing and then attempt to make excuses for bad behavior. All manifestations are counsiousness, like when you dream you are the seer and seen, yet believe and experience the world from the point of view of the seer. However your making it all animate and inanimate with counsiousness, both sky and earth as well as other people, but its all counsiousness.

a reply to: randomtangentsrme

im getting out of thin air

originally posted by: arpgme

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: arpgme

I think therefore i am . No beast will control me , it is not strong enough .

If you are forced to live in the money system then you already are controlled by the beast.

The religious dare not even ask what this "Beast" really is.

*Hint* it is that which they pray too, worship, and keeps us all in a state where we cannot progress, and tries to make us like it too.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Even worse, they do not realize that no one GOD, I.E. Creator is responsible for everything.

They cannot even begin to fathom that many other wacky things are going, so they just pile it all together under one FORMLESS everything, nothing.

Utterly useless is that path, as well.

WoW it is going to be more than monumental trying to realize people that just as in this world a hell of a lot of skullduggery goes on, that this is not happening at all levels, and that the CREATOR they seek , the REASON they seek it, is because it has never been there.

Every soul looking for freedom, would that not tell you that GOD is not free....??

Philosophy is overrated. Experience is key. It doesn't take a lot of mumbo jumbo philosophy concepts to understand a few simple things. Without consciousness nothing would exist. I'm not sure how anyone would assume that free will can't exist within this concept. The physical reality we are in isn't all that physical, at all. Your hand never touches a basketball or beer bottle. It's simply two forces repelling each other. It's a PROGRAM, and it can't logically be any other way. Bacteria can be programmed with ones and zeros, the so called building blocks of matter are most empty space, and so are you. The only reason why you don't fall through the ground is because of mathematical programs called physics, the laws of nature. The only way these can work is through programming. DATA. The only reason why this physical universe was created by consciousness is for experience and lowering entropy. As funny as it may sound, the physics of the frequency of what we call love is the end result of all the hard work here, and it takes duality in order to understand the difference between right and wrong. Only physical reality produces consequences for one's actions. We are consciousness fundamentally, consciousness was here before anything else was, and everything that exists is a result of consciousness becoming aware of itself and evolving. Consciousness and its goal of lowering entropy of the whole system is an evolutionary process. You are a small individuated drop of that thrown into an evolving program of experience that is a subset of a greater reality. Sure, the future may be a probability set based on calculations from the past to the present, and you can determine the future to some extent, but only so far out. Then things get fuzzy because calculations begin to fail too far out, just like a simulation. Free will can and do alter these calculations. None of this has anything to do with religion, and it would all exist quite well without religion. Beliefs and dogma are a crutch to humanity. There are ways of knowing things outside of the system we are in even if you don't think so or believe it. One of our goals eventually is to figure this out, but sometimes the single goal of an individuated consciousness being born into an avatar in this simulation we call the Universe is to simply know what it's like to breathe oxygen, or experience pain, or to know what it's like to take one's 'physical' life, or give a physical life. The way everything works actually makes quite a lot of sense. In fact, it seems that there are no unanswered questions about this whole experience. YOU have to be the one to find those answers though, not by following anyone else or taking someone's word for it, including mine. Discount everything I just said. Find your answers the best way you see fit. That's what its all about.