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originally posted by: ScepticScot
A quick google search seems to totally debunk smoking as preventing Alzheimer's as well. www.skeptical-science.com...
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks
I have googled smokers paradox and it comes up with a lot more stuff about how smoking is bad for your health. Can you be more specific in what we should be looking at?
originally posted by: anonentity
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: TiredofControlFreaks
I have googled smokers paradox and it comes up with a lot more stuff about how smoking is bad for your health. Can you be more specific in what we should be looking at?
What we are looking at is the fact that in China they smoke like chimneys and don't have the health problems that we in the west have. This has always worried the anti smoking brigade as it points out the fact that it might be, other things that are causing the disastrous health statistics enjoyed by the West. This is the "Asian paradox". because it doesn't make any sense to their paradigm. But its not rocket science at all. Their diets are mainly vegetable based, where ours is one made up from triglycerides, from animal products. Most from dairy and can be some 50% of the modern diet. This is the main cause, of us being fat, diabetic, having, blood pressure etc. If you smoke or drink, on this diet,or get stressed on this diet. Your immune system is overloaded.
China “has entered the era of obesity,” according to Ji Chengye, a leading child-health researcher, who says that “the speed of growth is shocking.”
[ USA Today “Obesity of China's kids stuns officials” Jan. 9. 2007 ]
Urban Chinese boys age 6 are 2.5 inches taller and 6.6 pounds heavier on average than Chinese city boys 30 years ago, according to China’s Health Ministry. The Education Ministry reports that 8% of 10- to 12-year-olds in China’s cities are obese, with an additional 15% classified as overweight.
[ USA Today “Obesity of China's kids stuns officials” Jan. 9. 2007 ]
China’s obesity rate is exploding—about 30 to 50 percent annually (or six million to 10 million more obese every year).
[ PBS Newshour “For China's Growing Middle Class, Expanding Waistlines Pose Problem” June 1, 2010 ]
About one in 10 adults in China have diabetes (representing about 90 million diabetics).
[ BBC News “China faces obesity explosion” Sept. 25, 2010 ]
An estimated 2 million Chinese people will die each year of tobacco-related illnesses by 2020 if current smoking rates continue (up from 1.2 million in 2011), according to a Jan. 2011 report by a panel of Chinese and international health experts and economists.
[ Time Mag. “China Shows Little Progress in Kicking Its Smoking Habit” Feb. 1, 2011 ]
By 2030, the above figure is expected to rise to a staggering 3.5 million deaths each year — which would account for nearly half the world’s annual smoking-related deaths.
[ Time Mag. “China Shows Little Progress in Kicking Its Smoking Habit” Feb. 1, 2011 ]
Nicotine and its brain receptors—proteins on the surface of cells that receive chemical messages—are keys to understanding the links between smoking and schizophrenia. Already, research has revealed that: Nicotine and its receptors are involved in functions such as cognition or thinking ability, reward, movement, and pain relief. Schizophrenia patients have fewer and more poorly functioning nicotinic receptors, especially in the hippocampus, cortex, and cells that wrap the thalamus—brain areas involved in several cognitive and sensory deficits of schizophrenia. Increased nicotine intake—from smoking cigarettes or sometimes from a skin patch, gum, or nasal spray—may temporarily normalize sensory disruptions of schizophrenia. For example, nicotine may improve eye tracking abnormalities, mostly by altering activity in the hippocampus and brain areas involved in eye movement. Nicotine also has been reported to improve the brain’s ability to filter sounds and to respond and adapt to strong sensory inputs. Cognitive ability in people with schizophrenia may get a boost from nicotine as well, including temporary enhancements in learning, memory, processing speed, and attention. Several studies have examined spatial working memory—the ability to hold information in the brain and recall it when prompted. Spatial working memory is involved in planning, judgment, and attention—tasks that people with schizophrenia find difficult. Schizophrenia patients who smoked or who received nasal spray nicotine temporarily enhanced their spatial working memory, and those who quit had further impairments.
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
Everyone acts as though the smoke from tobacco is the CAUSE of disease.
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: framedragged
First of all - to all - my apologies - its NOT vitamin B12 - Niacin is vitamin B3
So where is this biological PROOF that smoking causes lung cancer?
You all are quick to point out that there are other sources of niacin and CO ect ect ect. and why don't I just take a Big Pharma pill and that is right after I point out that Big Pharma funds anti-smoker campaigns in order to take over the nicotine, niacin and tobacco market from Big Tobacco.
Then you accuse ME of being a shill for Big Tobacco?????
Now I am a smoker. I make no bones about it. I joined this site in 2009 and my introductory to ATS included the fact that I was a pro-choice activist. I suffer all the humilations and harassment of a smoker. No one ever has to pay me to defend myself.
But all you people on the other hand????? Maybe you get paid by Big Pharma and you are all Big Pharma shills?
So you dismiss all of my links and where my links are indisputable, you promote Big Pharma products as a safer alternative to smoking while getting the same benefits. And yet non-smokers continue to get fatter, continue to get asthma, continue to get Alzeimers', Parkinsons, continue to let pregnant mothers die of pre-eclampsia (I wonder how safe that is for the baby?) So why aren't these BIG PHARMA alternatives working?
But yet ....I asked a simple question...where is this biological proof that smoking causes lung cancer. I posted proof in the form of a court document....yet none of you have been polite enough to give me the same courtesy.
Where is this PROOF?
Tired of Control Freaks
Even in the absence of p53 mutations, p53 func tion can be inactivated by other mechanisms, such as infection with an "oncogenic" human papillomavirus type, such as HPV16 or HPV18.