Smoking Bans - Where will it end?

originally posted by: sputniksteve
a reply to: Iwinder

It probably had nothing to do with the smoking and more to do with your health (being the reason you were there and on monitors and IV), insurance and liability reasons. That is my guess. If you leave when you aren't supposed to and have a heart attack or stroke on the corner off hospital property it would probably raise a lot of issues.

No I signed myself out, that is a disclaimer that they are not responsible for me at the time I have left the hospital, without a doubt they had no liability at all pertaining to me and my health once I signed out.

Regards, Iwinder

I live in an apartment with 7 other units, most of which are occupied by white trash that smokes in the hallways. I put up a curtain at my front door to seal it out. Utterly disgusting.

originally posted by: nightbringr
a reply to: Iwinder
Your reading waaaaay too much into my post.

If you feel you would like to pay for effects of obvious things, like liver transplants for alcoholics, that's your business.

Don't force the rest of us to.

Ok where did I read way too much into your post?

Please enlighten me and I do take constructive criticism well, heck I can even adjust my thinking :-)
To a point, but I do in fact bring real personal experiences to this discussion whilst yourself as far as I can gather bring just hyperbole to the table.

If you have not lost a family member to a certain illness or disease or a self inflicted injury you really can't feel for what I am trying to say.
Four Parents for myself and the wife, three to cancer and one for the heart thing.
The wifes father was a Deputy fire chief and he died from cancer, I guess his chosen career was to fight fires with known cancer causing fumes.
Regards, Iwinder

originally posted by: framedragged
The continued comparison between cigarettes and pungent veggies is #'in hilarious, thanks thread!

I don't have a problem with cigarettes because they smell awful, though they do smell awful enough to ruin the olfactory environment for everyone's whose sense of smell hasn't been trashed in 100 feet in every direction.

I have a problem with cigarettes because I do not consent to breathing carcinogenic pollution.

You guys really have a problem with me choosing not to breathe that.

"Oh but you have to breathe awful car fumes so your argument is herpaderpaherp!"

I get to breathe oil refinery fumes, coal fumes, and a constant thick blanket of car exhaust all day every winter. So you think that makes it ok to breathe even more crap in my face? woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow. So people who were just in a fire shouldn't complain if you breathe smoke in their face, there's worse stuff in their lungs already, right?

Look, I don't care if you guys were addicted to huffing radon paint instead.

You start endangering other people's long term health by doing it around people and we're going to make you move.

Deal with it.

Hah, fine - but actually, as referenced in my other post, there is no longer ANY evidence that anyone's second hand smoke affects other people's health. Yet there is tons that car exhaust does. If you were truly concerned about your health, you'd do something about THAT. And again, this thread is about not being able to smoke in your own apartment, not smoking in your presence, which has been effectively removed from your equation altogether. Smelling smoke in a hallway you quickly go through is not the same as having it enter your home - that seems to be over and done with. This thread is about whether or not someone can smoke in their ow home.

originally posted by: gottaknow
It's such an enormous disappointment to see what has happened to our society regarding the liberty of using tobacco and how the people have not stormed the city halls across the world to express outrage at being lied to and manipulated.

It's all about money and control. Big Pharma and anti-tobacco lobbyists have a monetary interest in promoting this insanity.

LOL!

Me: "I don't want to be forced to endure your disgusting habit."


You: "BIG PHARMA CONSPIRACY!!!"




Here's the real depressing part about the pathetic pathology of nicotine addiction...your filthy habit invariably leads to imposed suffering on those who love you, and you don't care.

My aunt is hospitalized at this minute for complications from emphysema due to cigarette smoking. She is slowly suffocating to death while her children and grandchildren watch her die an agonizing death - all because she refused to quit smoking a f'ing cigarette.

What a pathetic mess.

When I was a young boy, I witnessed my grandfather - her father die the same death.

Pathetic.

originally posted by: Iwinder
Ok where did I read way too much into your post?

When you conveniently skipped the part I said about "self destructive habits". Does your wife fall under that category? Your father in law? No.

Please enlighten me and I do take constructive criticism well, heck I can even adjust my thinking :-)
To a point, but I do in fact bring real personal experiences to this discussion whilst yourself as far as I can gather bring just hyperbole to the table.

And now you make personal attacks and assume to know me. You do not know me, nor what those I care about may have suffered. You do of course realize almost everyone in the world has lost someone they care about to cancer or any other number of diseases, right? Your not in island.

If you have not lost a family member to a certain illness or disease or a self inflicted injury you really can't feel for what I am trying to say.

This actually offends me. Again, you do NOT know me. Besides, what does it have to do with our discussion? Yes, I can sympathize with those who have lost, as I have. Not sure what it has to do with the topic at hand.

The wifes father was a Deputy fire chief and he died from cancer, I guess his chosen career was to fight fires with known cancer causing fumes.
Regards, Iwinder

Do you actually think I would view being a fireman as a "self-destructive habit"?

You do of course realize I would never blame your wife for a thyroid condition, your father in law for being a fireman, and god knows what else you seem to think I believe. I must be the devil to you!

And if I might just ask, so I don't make assumptions of you; would you say that we SHOULD pay for chronic alcoholics liver replacements? Even if they admit they will simply grab a bottle the minute they leave the hospital?

I for one am not for that type of socialism. I believe there is a point where people need to take responsibilities for their own actions.

originally posted by: thebtheb
Hah, fine - but actually, as referenced in my other post, there is no longer ANY evidence that anyone's second hand smoke affects other people's health.

There is, the people that are really affected by it, like I was up to 1.5 years ago (now I'm much less affected, but I'm still affected), the fact that some of the members posting in this thread ignore the existence of those people is interesting.

Yet there is tons that car exhaust does. If you were truly concerned about your health, you'd do something about THAT.

As I wrote in one of my previous posts, car exhaust affects me less than cigarette smoke, and I have never seen a car getting close to me inside a house.

And again, this thread is about not being able to smoke in your own apartment, not smoking in your presence, which has been effectively removed from your equation altogether.

At least that's how it started.

And yes, I think banning people from smoking in their own home is stupid and is limiting their freedom of doing what they want with themselves while not affecting other people, that should not be allowed.

a reply to: Iwinder
One last note.

There are honest, hard working people out there, barely making it by for themselves and their families. These people pay taxes. Many very well off people are smokers, alcoholics and more. When their addictions cause health issues in Canada, EVERYONE pays for their medical care, even the most downtrodden.

It sickens me poor, honest people would have to pay for cancer treatments to some shmuck sitting on millions simply because he decided to smoke.

originally posted by: WarminIndy


I would think you'd be more offended by people who didn't take showers.

But hey, if we stink and that's unpleasant to you, perhaps you could go down to the ghetto and tell everyone there to take a shower, what do you say about that?

Frankly, I'd rather be around someone who doesn't shower regularly than a heavy smoker.

You guys just have no concept of how bad you stink.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
.the only person i know who has died of lung cancer was a mates father...he died at 55 and never smoke or drank his whole life....

What are you saying? That no one dies of lung cancer from smoking because you don't personally know anyone who did?

originally posted by: regor77

If you list the apt. as a smoking apt. you will rent it easily. Just sayin.

Do you own rental property? I do.

If you let renters smoke in your property you're talking a four figure price tag to make it decent again for non-smokers who are the majority of potential tenets. Assuming you can even do it. Even smokers can have a problem with a stenched up place. It's hard enough to find decent tenets as it is. And frankly, heavy smokers aren't always an ideal choice to take care of a place regardless. Sorry to generalize but that's what you wind up doing when you're trying to make life easier for yourself as a landlord.

originally posted by: nightbringr
a reply to: TDawgRex
While in not in favor of ripping our health care down, I would absolutely agree we should not pay for people's self destructive habits.

Overweight? Lose it before your knee operation so tax payers don't pay again in 2 years when you blow your new, tax payer funded knee out.

Alcoholic? Don't come take my money to pay for your new liver.

Smoking is no different.

On this we agree. But it is what it is and I don't think we should legislate one's lifestyles. Plenty of bad habits out there. And it all depends upon the individuals perspective.

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
.the only person i know who has died of lung cancer was a mates father...he died at 55 and never smoke or drank his whole life....

What are you saying? That no one dies of lung cancer from smoking because you don't personally know anyone who did?

Yeh but hang on a minute, have people a problem believing in what they are actually seeing these days, or have they got to put it through the politically correct filter. My father in law is a non smoker, he's on 14 pills a day, same with mother in law, fifteen pills a day, a non smoker. Brother in law non smoker three Blood pressure pills a day, Missus, about six a day, another non smoker. Mate just died of lung cancer a non smoker, no pills a day. Me a smoker no pills a day. Other bro in law six pills a day, sister in law five per day , both non smokers, never smoked, any of them, one on-going meds for past breast cancer, brother in law having operation after operation ,for many small ailments including prostate problems. I'm not unique but are we seeing a trend here?

Cooking smells are part of apartment and condo living, and sometimes they are good and sometimes they are bad.
My experience is that more good than bad about an 80/20 split.
Weed always stinks, smoke from cigs is about half as bad, but it always stinks. Cigars are bad too.
As for animal smells, it's instant eviction if you are caught with one. My old apartment was like that too, one time somebody took in a yappy dog that wouldn't stop barking and the super put a chair at their door, and told me he was sitting their till they came home,
when they would be notified of eviction.

Some of the most anti-smoking people I know are ex-smokers, they are merciless towards what they used to be, and I find that interesting, you would think they would have the greatest empathy, but the reverse happens.

a reply to: anonentity


You're all up in your family's business huh?

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
.the only person i know who has died of lung cancer was a mates father...he died at 55 and never smoke or drank his whole life....

What are you saying? That no one dies of lung cancer from smoking because you don't personally know anyone who did?

no ... that would be you putting words in my mouth...the reply was in context with another poster...for you to insinuate that what i am saying requires a pretty big leap

originally posted by: Seamrog
a reply to: anonentity


You're all up in your family's business huh?

lol.

a reply to: DelMarvel

Do you personally know someone who died from lung cancer that was caused by smoking?

That is so interesting. How did the doctor different a lung cancer caused by smoking from a lung cancer caused by air pollution, or genetics or any of the other 40 know causes of lung cancer.

He must be a genius!!!! He is able to what no other doctor, scientist or idiot savant has EVER been able to do.

Please do enlighten me. How did anyone know what caused the lung cancer?

Tired fo Control Freaks

originally posted by: DelMarvel

originally posted by: regor77

If you list the apt. as a smoking apt. you will rent it easily. Just sayin.

Do you own rental property? I do.

If you let renters smoke in your property you're talking a four figure price tag to make it decent again for non-smokers who are the majority of potential tenets. Assuming you can even do it. Even smokers can have a problem with a stenched up place. It's hard enough to find decent tenets as it is. And frankly, heavy smokers aren't always an ideal choice to take care of a place regardless. Sorry to generalize but that's what you wind up doing when you're trying to make life easier for yourself as a landlord.

So you are saying you dont want smokers in your rental. Cool with me that is your choice. If you never had a smoker to begin with you have no problem. I'm sure you never will as by your stance. But to those who allow smoking there are plenty of people to fill the void. Wasnt a personal attack against you as I didnt know you were a landlord. But as you know each landlord gets to determine how he/she runs their establishment. Truely that will not affect you.

originally posted by: Seamrog
a reply to: anonentity


You're all up in your family's business huh?

What are you an orphan or something. People share there lives with you if they care about you and you them. I think you need a hug.