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originally posted by: Surefire
So, what I can gather from this is that non-smokers have some otherworldly 6th sense that greatly imperils them when someone somewhere lights up a cigarette. This same 6th sense of course doesn't encompass all the air pollution from anything else, just cigarettes.
I'm beginning to think this is something similar to a pavlovian effect, where the mere knowledge of smoking causes you to feel bad, but being the the midst of a thousand vehicles pumping out fumes doesn't even register to you.
There's nothing wrong with wanting me to not smoke near you, I get that. I wouldn't. But it's getting to the point to where you're saying the fact that I exist is an insult to non-smokers.
I wouldn't be surprised if in the future, some magical undocumented study comes up saying that smokers, even years after they quit, are somehow hurting everyone's health.
The important thing though, is that nonsmokers have someone they can deride and feel superior over, right?
originally posted by: Surefire
So, what I can gather from this is that non-smokers have some otherworldly 6th sense that greatly imperils them when someone somewhere lights up a cigarette. This same 6th sense of course doesn't encompass all the air pollution from anything else, just cigarettes.
I'm beginning to think this is something similar to a pavlovian effect, where the mere knowledge of smoking causes you to feel bad, but being the the midst of a thousand vehicles pumping out fumes doesn't even register to you.
There's nothing wrong with wanting me to not smoke near you, I get that. I wouldn't. But it's getting to the point to where you're saying the fact that I exist is an insult to non-smokers. I wouldn't be surprised if in the future, some magical undocumented study comes up saying that smokers, even years after they quit, are somehow hurting everyone's health.
The important thing though, is that nonsmokers have someone they can deride and feel superior over, right?
originally posted by: WarminIndy
Isn't Rob Hall the same mayor who was busted for doing heavy drugs?
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: Krazysh0t
And we, as smokers, just want a place where we can congregate and socialize in a manner that we feel comfortable with. Its the exact same thing that you want!
You have stated (rather arrogantly, I might add) that the smoking bans are so popular that the public would never go back to the days when smoking was allowed in privately - owned hospitality venues. If this is true, why do these smoking bans require enforcement officers?
When smoking was banned in government offices, no one felt the need to hire police officers to enforce the law. Smokers willingly complied with the law because we understood that people like yourself needed to be able to go to a government office to conduct your business.
Same thing happened in grocery bans and in bans that occurred anyplace where the general public HAD to enter.
But a bar or a restaurant is not a place where you HAVE to go. You have the freedom to choose to go to a bar or restaurant that doesn't allow smoking because that is the way the owners want it.
Are you afraid that smoking bans in hospitality venues are truthfully so unpopular that if the ban was lifted, EVERY bar and restaurant owner would love to welcome smokers back as their customers.
Tired of Control Freaks
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: WarminIndy
LOL - that's Rob FORD!
Tired of Control Freaks
originally posted by: TiredofControlFreaks
a reply to: Iwinder
They act as though it were always the total responsibility of smokers to be concerned with the health of non-smokers.
If you are exposed to cigarette smoke in a park - put on your big boy pants, take responsibility for your own health and stay away from the smoker. Its not like there is no room to move.
outdoor bans are another prooof that this issue is about control. There is absolutely no evidence that encountering a smoker out doors has any effect on your health at all.
Tired of Control Freaks