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lawmakers declare ‘all-out assault’ on marriage for same-sex and atheist couples in Oklahoma

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posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
marriage relates to souls,sex and sin=religion

civil union relates to joint contract covering property and property rights=government

this is why it is a state right and not origionally in the constitution until 38'


That is your belief.

It is not the reality. It is not fact.

In the US Legal Marriage has nothing to do with religion.




posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 06:49 PM
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a reply to: Annee

correct it relates to souls,sex and sin just as i referenced.

all that is covered by religion and belief systems

The definition of civil union accuratly describes the property rights of two parties entering a contract.



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 07:02 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Annee

correct it relates to souls,sex and sin just as i referenced.

all that is covered by religion and belief systems

The definition of civil union accuratly describes the property rights of two parties entering a contract.


In your mind only. You are arguing about a word. I don't care what you believe a word means.

In the US, Legal Marriage is a Civil Union.

At least we finally got to the bottom of what you are trying to say. How many pages did it take?



posted on Jan, 29 2015 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
this is why it is a state right and not origionally in the constitution until 38'


Bull. You delusionally made this up, there is no '1938 Marriage Act', otherwise you would have linked it.

Is this what 'good Christians' do? Invent stuff?



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 09:59 AM
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Our entire constitution is made up of words and their definitions.

Welcome to reality.

Definitions matter very much and with dual definitions it allows for other uses beyond a civil union.

It is very strange to have one member on this page telling me words do not matter and another calling me out because i used the wrong wording.

This is a clear example of why we must get it right when it comes to the writing and enforcment of the law and when we are debating we must make an effort to see past a mistake and find the intent of the message without getting hung up on a talking point in an effort to make our ego feel good by belittling someone else.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick

Definitions matter very much and with dual definitions it allows for other uses beyond a civil union.



Court/law defines the meaning of words.

Not personal opinion.


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posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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Where is the link to the '1938 Marriage Act'?

This is supposed to be the linchpin of your entire argument, where is it?



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 11:31 AM
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a reply to: Annee
and i think we both agree that in some cases they get it wrong.

if we give them an oppertunity they will reserve the right to use it in the future.

The founders were clear about seperation of church and state and we should avoid crossing the line.

Using wording that closes the door on reinterputation is best and prudent.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Annee
and i think we both agree that in some cases they get it wrong.


NO! We do not agree that the USSC got it wrong in the use of the word Marriage.

It is YOUR belief that Marriage belongs to religion.

Laws are not made on belief. That IS separation of church and state --- whether you like it or not.


edit on 30-1-2015 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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It is not just a belief.

It is a fact backed up by the numerous definitions of the word marriage that have posted here in this thread. All include the word religion or belief in the definitions. That is where by using the word marriage we are leaving ourselves to an attack by a religion or belief system in the future.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Annee

It is not just a belief.

It is a fact backed up by the numerous definitions of the word marriage that have posted here in this thread. All include the word religion or belief in the definitions. That is where by using the word marriage we are leaving ourselves to an attack by a religion or belief system in the future.


It is a belief.

I can pick and choose definitions I want to back up my point too. Doesn't mean they are current or accurate. Actually, in this case yours are not.

Religion does NOT own the word marriage ----- no matter how many times you post it.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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and i think we both agree that in some cases they get it wrong.

if we give them an oppertunity they will reserve the right to use it in the future.

Ah! Kinda like Bible-Thumping Cherry-Pickers of verse. Right?

As a professional wordsmith, I know that words DO make a difference. Taking them out of context when 'quoting' is simple.
'in some cases they get it wrong'. LMAO

ESPECIALLY when it's an archaic from of whatever language, or a translation of another language. As a bilingual person, I can tell you that trying to translate a work of literature from one language to another is NOT a simple matter of 'using a dictionary'.

Ever gone to Engrish Funny? A Chinese restaurant? Even the subtitles on Chinese tv broadcasts and films is ridiculously 'off'. Somehow we decipher it.

yeah.


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posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

Marriage isn't owned by or needed by religion. Marriage has existed for THOUSANDS of years and in societies all around the world and some of the reasons for it extended beyond religious reasons. Even in Christian areas this was the case. Many times marriage was a political or economic act to combine two families.

It certainly isn't the sole domain of Christianity for that matter, so Christians really shouldn't get ultimate say in how it is treated. It is only through Christian revisionist history that marriage is the property of religion/Christianity. But who cares about that? That isn't real history.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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Marriage deals with spiritual bonding, material bonding and sex.

The government only has right over the property rights.

By a government official performing a marriage the gov. is claiming rights over beliefs. No matter what the belief system is.

Marriage is more than a contract signing.

I see it became necessary to once again frame the debate to be about religion and by all of you.

It is about all belief systems. That is what freedom of religion is.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 03:44 PM
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Big brother does not know jack squat about LOVE.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
Big brother does not know jack squat about LOVE.


What does Love have to do with a legal contract?



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick

Marriage is more than a contract signing.



Only those who have chosen or arranged to be in a Marriage can define what it is -- to them.

Legal Marriage (US) --- is a legal contract chosen by those who want it.

NO ONE is forced to have a Legal marriage.



posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 04:52 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: deadeyedick

Big brother does not know jack squat about LOVE.




What does Love have to do with a legal contract?


Exactly

Why should the gov. be involved in a matter of the heart.

They should only govern over civil contracts not marriages.


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posted on Jan, 30 2015 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: deadeyedick

Big brother does not know jack squat about LOVE.




What does Love have to do with a legal contract?


Exactly

Why should the gov. be involved in a matter of the heart.

They should only govern over civil contracts not marriages.


My question to you is if you had your way and marriages were to become the sole dominion of religion would you expect the government to recognize those marriages for legal purposes as they are now. Such as joint tax returns and property rights to name a few?
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