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lawmakers declare ‘all-out assault’ on marriage for same-sex and atheist couples in Oklahoma

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posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick

lgbt marriage has never been a right



It's not LGBT marriage. It's MARRIAGE EQUALITY.

ALL couples have the same equal right of LEGAL MARRIAGE. A government contract which applies equally to ALL citizens.

It is you who is creating division by referring to it as LGBT marriage.




posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: olaru12

Great another banker turned politician wants to legislate morality by pulling some sneaky backhanded crap. He was the only choice on the ballot where he was elected he ran unopposed since 2010.

Under his plan, a religious official would be required to sign a couple’s marriage certificate so separation of church and state how does that work again?

If that does go through we are going to need some more churches of the flying spaghetti monster in Oklahoma to perform marriages.


Because marriage is a religious institution ordained by God for man. Government should stay out of religion, and religion should stay out of government --- isn't that what you progressives have been calling for?

So why is it that when religion puts its nose in government, you are in an uproar about it, but you are not in an uproar when government sticks its nose in religion?

You can't have your cake and your ice cream too.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

Because marriage is a religious institution ordained by God for man. Government should stay out of religion, and religion should stay out of government --- isn't that what you progressives have been calling for?

You can't have your cake and your ice cream too.


Can you provide a copy of a U.S. legal marriage license that refers to God or religion?

I don't mean the Covenant marriages.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:12 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: deadeyedick



lgbt marriage has never been a right







It's not LGBT marriage. It's MARRIAGE EQUALITY.



ALL couples have the same equal right of LEGAL MARRIAGE. A government contract which applies equally to ALL citizens.



It is you who is creating division by referring to it as LGBT marriage.

Where did they all get that right?
It is federally not recognized for any but same sex
We think we have human rights but we only really have gov givin rights



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: GeisterFahrer




Because marriage is a religious institution ordained by God for man.


Sorry, but it didn't start that way and it is only that way for those who believe that it is. We have already covered the historicity of marriage in this thread I will not go over it again for you.

However, I will give you this nugget of knowledge there have been gay weddings around long before your Christ mythology.




Government should stay out of religion, and religion should stay out of government --- isn't that what you progressives have been calling for?


Yup and all we are asking for is for religion to stay out of legal marriages seeing as how history is on our side about its meaning. Religion was the latecomer to the party.




You can't have your cake and your ice cream too.




posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:14 PM
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a reply to: GeisterFahrer

You do realize marriage is not owned by Christianity, how many times must you Christians be reminded of that fact? Marriage has existed in countless cultures throughout time and belonged to multiple people and nations. What your bible says pertains to you and you alone, not those who do not follow it. What your bible claims is irrelevant to marriage as it has belonged to others throughout time and into today.

Stop trying to lay claim and sole property to that which was never yours and only yours to begin with.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:15 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: deadeyedick



lgbt marriage has never been a right







It's not LGBT marriage. It's MARRIAGE EQUALITY.



ALL couples have the same equal right of LEGAL MARRIAGE. A government contract which applies equally to ALL citizens.



It is you who is creating division by referring to it as LGBT marriage.

Where did they all get that right?
It is federally not recognized for any but same sex
We think we have human rights but we only really have gov givin rights


Believing in a God is a personal choice.

America is a secular democratic republic.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

It is odd that despite your claims that religion was not in the marriage decision yet they still deemed it between a man and a woman. why could that be? because Marriages are symbolic with belief systems and a true government contract would be a civil union that is not any type of ceremony but just another run of the mill contract signing. Then marriages can be performed by belief systems as they should be. everybody wins



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: GeisterFahrer

Because marriage is a religious institution ordained by God for man. Government should stay out of religion, and religion should stay out of government --- isn't that what you progressives have been calling for?


A Marriage is a contract. It can be religious or non-religious. There is no requirement for a marriage to be religious in nature at all. A legal marriage is also a marriage but without any religion involved. The difference between the two is that a Religious marriage has God as the 3rd party while a Legal marriage has the state/gov. as it's 3rd party. That is why when getting married through the church they set the rules for who you can marry or if you can divorce later. Legal marriage is the same only it's the state who decides those things. Pretty simple.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
Because marriage is a religious institution ordained by God for man. Government should stay out of religion, and religion should stay out of government --- isn't that what you progressives have been calling for?

My marriage has absolutely diddly sh^^ to do with any god, it was a choice my husband & I came to ourselves. Getting a government marriage license and not having a religious ceremony was also a choice. We're not religious, so we don't see the point nor the need to waste extra money and time on that symbolic stuff.


So why is it that when religion puts its nose in government, you are in an uproar about it, but you are not in an uproar when government sticks its nose in religion?

You can't have your cake and your ice cream too.

Think about what you just said. Keep your religion out of my marriage application, please.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: GeisterFahrer




Because marriage is a religious institution ordained by God for man.


Which God? Ancient Egyptian marriages weren't religious.


If a man and a woman over the age of consent, not already married to someone else, and no more closely related than first cousins, lived together in the same house, they were considered to be married, without the need for any legal registration.
www.womenintheancientworld.com...


Not in ancient Greece Either


Priests did not direct weddings in ancient Greece. Instead, a set of rituals was followed, after which the couple would live together. The rituals started with baths. The groom then would go to the bride’s house in a chariot or a cart. A feast may be held at the bride’s father’s house, after which the groom would take his bride back to his parents’ house. They were greeted at the door by the groom’s parents and led to the hearth. There they were showered with nuts and fruit. The couple then retired to their bedroom. For the wife to be fully accepted into the groom’s family, a child had to be conceived from their union.
historylink101.com...


Marriage in the Old Testament was nothing more that a business arrangement between men, as well. Nothing "holy" about female property for the purpose of breeding.

True romantic love and Holy Matrimony was something that was introduced in the middle ages with the King Arthur myth. There is no such thing as romantic love in the Bible. Without romantic love you have no consent from the bride, therefore, no bond other than the one forced by society. There's nothing holy about that.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:31 PM
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It is odd that despite your claims that religion was not in the marriage decision yet they still deemed it between a man and a woman.


Who deemed it as that? Your religion sorry, but that doesn't hold up in a constitutional republic your looking for a theocracy. If you are going to say the government then you shouldn't have any problem with the government changing the same as how it changed its policies on mixed marriage.

Marriage did not originate with Christianity. Christians didn't discover or invent it, it belongs to no religion or belief system.

No one is stopping you from having your religious marriages, but you can't stop others from having non-religious marriages.

That is how everyone wins.

Of course, we can always do as someone else said and make the only union the government acknowledges a civil union. You guys can still have your religious ceremonies they just will not be recognized by law only a filed civil union would.

Everyone wins that way again. In the eyes of the law we are either all equal or we are not equal you can't have it both ways.
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posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:36 PM
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Same sex marriages have been around for awhile.





posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:40 PM
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You all should refer to the dictionary definition of marriage

mar·riage/ˈmerij/
noun
1.the legally or formally recognized union of a man and a woman as partners in a relationship.
2.a combination or mixture of two or more elements.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:44 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

You have a puny dictionary.



marriage
[mar-ij]
Spell Syllables
Examples Word Origin
noun
1.
(broadly) any of the diverse forms of interpersonal union established in various parts of the world to form a familial bond that is recognized legally, religiously, or socially, granting the participating partners mutual conjugal rights and responsibilities and including, for example, opposite-sex marriage, same-sex marriage, plural marriage, and arranged marriage:
Anthropologists say that some type of marriage has been found in every known human society since ancient times.
See Word Story at the current entry.
2.
Also called opposite-sex marriage. the form of this institution under which a man and a woman have established their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.
See also traditional marriage (def 2).
this institution expanded to include two partners of the same gender, as in same-sex marriage; gay marriage.
3.
the state, condition, or relationship of being married; wedlock:
They have a happy marriage.
Synonyms: matrimony.
Antonyms: single life, bachelorhood, spinsterhood, singleness.
4.
the legal or religious ceremony that formalizes the decision of two people to live as a married couple, including the accompanying social festivities:
to officiate at a marriage.
Synonyms: nuptials, marriage ceremony, wedding.
Antonyms: divorce, annulment.
5.
a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves to each other in the manner of a husband and wife, without legal sanction:
trial marriage.
6.
any close or intimate association or union:
the marriage of words and music in a hit song.
Synonyms: blend, merger, unity, oneness; alliance, confederation.
Antonyms: separation, division, disunion, schism.
7.
a formal agreement between two companies or enterprises to combine operations, resources, etc., for mutual benefit; merger.
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posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:45 PM
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This article is from 2004

Dictionaries take lead in redefining modern marriage


Now that Massachusetts has legalized same-sex “marriage,” will major dictionaries expand their definitions of the word “marriage” itself? The answer is simple: They already have. Advocates of traditional marriage who once relied on dictionary definitions to bolster their case for the preservation of “one man-one woman” marriage might have to cite another authority. Boston-based Houghton Mifflin, publisher of the American Heritage Dictionary, added a “same sex” clause to its definition of marriage in 2000. “A union between two persons having the customary but usually not the legal force of marriage,” the addition — or “sub sense” — states. “But we’ll be altering that in the future to reflect the Massachusetts decision,” editor Joe Pickett said. “There have been a lot of changes in the defining of family terms in the past 15 years,” Mr. Pickett continued. “A family is not necessarily a ‘nuclear’ family anymore. We’ve also had to re-examine definitions influenced by reproductive technology and accommodate the different possibilities of ‘mother’ and ‘father.’ It’s an interesting time.” The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) retooled “marriage” in 2001. “It’s not so much a redefinition, because our definition did not specify marriage had to be between a man and woman in the first place,” said editor Jesse Sheidlower from OED’s New York headquarters.

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posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: Grimpachi

why did they have to expand the definition to include gay marriage if it has always been a thing as some try to state in this thread?

It has never been a right cause i think they would include that in the definition.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

You do realize that we've made up all the words and their definitions right???

That means we can change them or update them however we need.



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Grimpachi

why did they have to expand the definition to include gay marriage if it has always been a thing as some try to state in this thread?

It has never been a right cause i think they would include that in the definition.


They have to expand it to include Polygamous marriage too, so what???



posted on Jan, 26 2015 @ 10:59 PM
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a reply to: Annee

What time and place is that from. They look black. I did not know people believed egyptians were black. They could be male or female. Hard to tell without junk showing or a pic of a female from same period.



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