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France Sees As Many Anti-Muslim Acts In Jan As All of 2014

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posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 07:41 PM
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a reply to: xavi1000

You can have your opinion Xavi, the difference is I wouldn't want to "erase" it...

You won't "destroy" my religion without an AK or without blood either...


So you will either need to accept it...

Or go the way of fellow Pamela Geller supporter Anders Breivik...



Those are your choices in a "last resort".




posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: xavi1000
[Man, you dont understand , i have already financial problems and struggle , thinking how to survive this month and some uneducated people stucked in middle age interrupting my way of life.Enough ! Freedom or Islam! You choose.


I have freedom. I live in a VERY Catholic country. There are MANY Muslims here. Also MANY Jewish people. I studied Hebrew for a few years in college, so I learnt a bit of the Jewish culture. I'm not religious. At all. And I'm very open about that. I don't believe in anything because I find all religions to be crazy, I could never believe in a random all-powerful entity. I simply can't do it.

And that is fine. Nobody tries to convert me. Nobody attacks me. Nobody says anything at all. My cousin's ex-bf was Muslim. We got along VERY well. Not once did we clash. He has his beliefs. I have none. No problem whatsoever.

So I'm choosing freedom. For everybody. If person A wants to believe in flying unicorns, you go, person A! If person A wants to attack me for NOT believing in flying unicorns? Attacking me is a crime. Person A must go to jail. Not for believing in flying unicorns, but for attacking someone. All the others who believe in flying unicorns can continue to do so.

But anyway... I'm out of here. I've never been a fan of Islam. Or most religions. I like the Jewish culture, but I'm obviously not Jewish, nor I intend to be. So honestly, I don't care. I don't feel the need to defend any religion, at least not now. If it becomes worse, then I will choose freedom for everybody. In a more active way.

I live my life the however I want to and I pay no attention to how others live their lives. It's worked pretty well for me so far.

Leaving now in peace.



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 07:50 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: xavi1000

You can have your opinion Xavi, the difference is I wouldn't want to "erase" it...

You won't "destroy" my religion without an AK or without blood either...


So you will either need to accept it...

Or go the way of fellow Pamela Geller supporter Anders Breivik...



Those are your choices in a "last resort".


If i see Christians messing with my way of life i will do the same, no excuses.And i dont know Pamela Geller.I accept every religion but in your home and mosques only.Not in public places , schools , streets , court rooms ......
Is this normal to you ?





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posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: xavi1000




Freedom or Islam! You choose.


Get out of this absolute type of thinking, not sure how it can be seen as critical.

The retaliations attacks are different from what the lunatics did how?



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: xavi1000




Freedom or Islam! You choose.


Get out of this absolute type of thinking, not sure how it can be seen as critical.

The retaliations attacks are different from what the lunatics did how?


Where did i mention retaliations attacks? Im just telling you facts and truth.Values and practicising Islam is fundamentally opposed to FREEDOM you have and love now.



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: xavi1000

Yes, praying in the street is normal.


However that's from 2010 and has since been banned and spaces have been made for Muslims to pray...
Which they were delighted with because the spaces were bigger which allowed for better congregation.


Pamela Geller is the best friend and partner of your friend Robert Spencer, whose videos you have promoted many times on ATS.



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 08:26 PM
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With no source story, I will automatically assume these could be false flags.

At least 2 jealous groups come to mind.



The whole issue is fumble-flop.



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: xavi1000

Huh must be why the devout muslim I had as a boss treated me so well.
Of course I am sure that is just him being a snake in grass.

And I know you didn't mention the attacks, I was asking you about them.
How do they not represent the same thing the lunatics did?



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 10:38 PM
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I've been saying that people are getting angry over terrorist incidents. Here is the proof.

Muslims need to understand that when a terrorist goes kiiling people on the name of their prophet, those on the receiving end are going to tar you all with the same brush.

Here in the west, the Muslim world needs to rat out its terrorist element to regain trust and to stop the revenge attacks. This will keep escalating if someone doesn't make the first step and that step needs to come from Islam.



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: markosity1973
I've been saying that people are getting angry over terrorist incidents. Here is the proof.

Muslims need to understand that when a terrorist goes kiiling people on the name of their prophet, those on the receiving end are going to tar you all with the same brush.

Here in the west, the Muslim world needs to rat out its terrorist element to regain trust and to stop the revenge attacks. This will keep escalating if someone doesn't make the first step and that step needs to come from Islam.


This kind of thinking is absolutely absurd. It is abhorrent to accept group thinking like this. Maybe this is hitting below the belt but I say it in hopes of getting you to see why it's abhorrent. This type of group thinking is what held down homosexuals for so long, that allowed them to be cast as perverts... all gay men were pedophiles.

We need to stand up to it. If you know it's wrong to cast all of a type of person as something awful, stand against it. It isn't the responsibility of Muslims to root out terrorists clinging to their religion and culture anymore than it is the responsibility of Christians to root out it's own extremists.

It is the duty of humans to root out the wrong around them... not half a planet away with drones and missiles that take out the innocent with the guilty and then leaving the guilty all the tools they need to prey on the starving and the grieving innocents.

It is also the duty of humans to have the strength of character to know better, to not be so lazy in the mind as to think all people within a group are the same to not be so terrified of people different than themselves or weirded out by them.



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: markosity1973
I've been saying that people are getting angry over terrorist incidents. Here is the proof.

Muslims need to understand that when a terrorist goes kiiling people on the name of their prophet, those on the receiving end are going to tar you all with the same brush.

Here in the west, the Muslim world needs to rat out its terrorist element to regain trust and to stop the revenge attacks. This will keep escalating if someone doesn't make the first step and that step needs to come from Islam.


This kind of thinking is absolutely absurd. It is abhorrent to accept group thinking like this. Maybe this is hitting below the belt but I say it in hopes of getting you to see why it's abhorrent. This type of group thinking is what held down homosexuals for so long, that allowed them to be cast as perverts... all gay men were pedophiles.

We need to stand up to it. If you know it's wrong to cast all of a type of person as something awful, stand against it. It isn't the responsibility of Muslims to root out terrorists clinging to their religion and culture anymore than it is the responsibility of Christians to root out it's own extremists.

It is the duty of humans to root out the wrong around them... not half a planet away with drones and missiles that take out the innocent with the guilty and then leaving the guilty all the tools they need to prey on the starving and the grieving innocents.

It is also the duty of humans to have the strength of character to know better, to not be so lazy in the mind as to think all people within a group are the same to not be so terrified of people different than themselves or weirded out by them.


Don't shoot the messenger for telling it how it is.

I'm not the one doing these things, but I can tell you that's the mentality they have. And more and more will take this line of thinking if further attacks happen.

Im pretty sure you'd be upset and angry too if someone you knew or something you love was attacked.

Your line of thinking is easy to say, but not so easy to do when you are directly involved emotionally.
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posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973
I said exactly the same in another thread. This is an Islamic problem and can only be totally cured from the inside.

In reply to Kali74:- to use homosexuality as an example is quite erroneous and you know it. Homosexuals were lambasted for their act not being classed as paedophiles.

As for Christians policing their religion, There are numerous examples of the pope excommunicating peoples and countries because they didn't practice his form of Christianity. The Cathars, the Templars and even England so don't say that it can't be done.

These acts ARE done in the name of Islam(if your a Muslim) in your name. It IS up to you to purge your religion of these extremists. It is not enough to apologise for these acts but to actually DO something to stop or control their actions.

As for your last part I think you aught to re read your post. Humans ARE doing their duty to root out this evil and they are using drones and missiles(don't you like that method) and the only true part is that totally innocent people are being killed in that process. But it is not the humans fault but the terrorists that hide amongst civilians. I know that and you know that and that is their nature and know what they are doing.



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

There is also the example of the pope protecting pedos.

Islam is the only one held to this crazy high standard of "until you fix it, we are going to blanket your religion cause of the few"

It makes no sense what so ever.

There was a great thread using gun owners as a parallel.
The big gun orgs are always out after a shooting with the 'not in our name' stance and no bats an eyelash out here.
Islam trys to do it and its pitch forks and rabble rabble



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: crayzeed

There is also the example of the pope protecting pedos.

Islam is the only one held to this crazy high standard of "until you fix it, we are going to blanket your religion cause of the few"



Bullcrap.

Plenty of people class all catholic priests as pedophiles now. The stigma will take generations to shake off for them.

It's human nature to stereotype in spite of all the 're-education' nonsense the PC brigade force upon us. It doesn't necessarily make it right, but saying Islam is the only religion to suffer stereotyping is pure nonsense.



posted on Jan, 24 2015 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80
The majority of people are NOT trying to blanket ban Islam. But the majority of westerners actually see Muslims in their countries not even trying to integrate and forming Muslim enclaves in all the major cities. These are the breeding grounds and hiding places for these extremists. They are NOT open or forward with their relations to the host countries and THIS fosters the divisions that allows extremists to exist.

So I say again this IS a Muslim problem for them to solve. Because the alternative is mass invasion of Muslim privacy and they would shout at that one wouldn't they.

Please notice I did not say kill them, throw them out, persecute them or even ban their religion.



posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 12:40 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: xavi1000

Wow, ban the entire religion?

Ya totally makes sense.


No, ban it in France. Take your # elsewhere.



posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 12:40 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: xavi1000

Wow, ban the entire religion?

Ya totally makes sense.


No, ban it in France. Take your # elsewhere.



posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 03:05 AM
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originally posted by: xavi1000
WTF is National Observatory Against Islamophobia ?
This is basic discrimination from the start.What those immigrant people have done to France , bacon of Liberty?
Ban the Islam , declare that is dangerous cult , not religion and that is threat for Freedom and Western civilisation.


Um, problem- A HUGE part of the population is Muslim. It is a democracy- bacon of liberty. (sorry, it's just a typo, but I love it!) In some cities, like Marseille, the population is 50% arab. How do you carry out such a thing?



posted on Jan, 25 2015 @ 03:13 AM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: markosity1973
I said exactly the same in another thread. This is an Islamic problem and can only be totally cured from the inside.

These acts ARE done in the name of Islam(if your a Muslim) in your name. It IS up to you to purge your religion of these extremists. It is not enough to apologise for these acts but to actually DO something to stop or control their actions.



It is not so simple. The moderate, peaceful muslims don't have weapons, and their beliefs prohibit such action against human beings. The reason they are not doing such acts is precisely because of their religious education.
How do you propose they "control" these actions?

Those people are "acceptable" to us because they are self disciplined, pacifist, and submissive. As much as that makes them less threat to us, that also renders them powerless against the violent extremists as well.




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posted on Jan, 28 2015 @ 09:07 AM
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I did not say physically fight them. In their religion there is surely a process to excommunicate them. Disown them religiously, shun their teachers, there are quite a number of ways they can control or throw them out of their religion without resorting to violence.
If the teachers of the violent side are somehow forced out of the religion then they would lose the authority that they use to influence young followers and the followers would understand that it is in no way part of Islam.







 
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