Possible Future Drug Makes 8 Hours Seem Like 1000 Years!

originally posted by: TheTengriist

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: TheTengriist

I have to say you have a pretty sick mind far sicker than mine.

These are just cited examples of what other people have done when they want someone else to suffer. You say you want someone who has wronged you to "pay," well, there's some real-world examples of what you can do. What your preferred world would be like, where revenge and suffering motivates the legal system rather than justice and law.

I am just wondering was that supposed to make me feel for the criminal?

I don't expect empathy to be a trait of people I talk to on the internet. even if they actually possess it, everyone likes to be a stony John Wayne badass through a keyboard, and so the expectation is wasted.

No. You said you wanted someone who wronged you to "pay." I simply provided you with a shopping list of how other people with the same desire have achieved that desire. I asked if that would satisfy you, and I'm honestly curious about what your answer would be.

It doesn't because you are using logical fallacies a combination of strawman and slippery slope and when people use logical fallacies I tend to tune them out because their arguments are invalid from the getgo.

Well then you're quite a hypocrite, because you started out with a huge logical fallacy with this line:
"It worries me when people have more concern for criminals than victims. "

Not wishing cruelty and suffering upon a criminal does not by any means indicate a lack of concern for their victims. They are in fact, unrelated issues. Do you think that, for a real-world, this-stuff-happens-here example, that a murderer being raped in prison helps out the victims' family in any way? That a thief getting stabbed in the neck by his cellmate has somehow brought benefit to the person he robbed?

of course not. Your presumption is itself a straw man and wholly invalid.

If you would like to discuss the article and the implications of what they are proposing that would be refreshing because so far you arn't.

I already expressed my opinion on the article itself. That resolved, i saw your post and was frankly rather disgusted.

I hope to hear back as to whether the methods I illuminated would make you feel better, if you were a victim as you described. How much pain and suffering and anguish would it take to quell your want for revenge?

Hey man....did you read his post to me....

Just let this settle plz!!!

Grim obviously feels strongly from personal loss.

At first I misunderstood his position, he has lost a lot personally.

Don't get personal...give him some space...this takes a lot of time.

Not saying you aren't making good points, I think you are.

Just saying grim is feeling the personal losses close to the chest at present, throw him some leeway to vent.

This exact thing cost me my wife and several life long friends that couldn't or wouldn't understand.

originally posted by: infinityorder




So it is ok to kill someone by cutting them thousands of times then pouring lemon juice on the wounds then cauterizing the wounds while giving them blood transfusions and drugs to keep them awake?

He never said that.

He never mentioned torturing them.

His point was someone cans serve a standard sentence in minutes rather than clog up prisons for years.

a reply to: TheTengriist

Over react much?


He never said torture just punnsihment.


Would would you do with murderers and pedos? Give them a hug and let them walk free?

Imagine what Einstein could have done with 1000 years... or Stephen Hawking... or Neil Degrasse Tyson.

for the first two, probably alot,

for Neil, nothing, nothing at all, im sorry, hes a good guy, hes friendly (to people who agree with him), hes got charm, hes a great PR guy for science, but he hasnt actually done anything, he hasnt invented anything, he hasnt discovered anything, hes basically the greatest mouthpiece we've had for science in awhile (the science he agrees with anyhow), but given 1000 years to live in his own head for a few hours he likely wouldn't accomplish anymore then you or i would.

maybe he'd figure out how to better communicate and appeal science to even MORE people, a good thing but still nothing like what Einstein could do with the time.

Let's throw rapists and serial killers in (virtual drug) jail and release them 8 hours later.

MAKES A LOT OF SENSE ...

If I wouldn't know better I'd say whoever came up with that was high...

a reply to: infinityorder

The past has always informed the future. The discoveries of yesteryear are the basics of today, the philosophies of ancient peoples are the basis of belief systems in the modern era, and what happened just yesterday will by necessity present challenges and changes affecting tomorrow, so it has been, is, and always will be throughout the course of human endeavour, however long that lasts.

The only question, once this basic principle is understood, is whether or not one is prepared to learn from the errors of the past, to make totally new mistakes, rather than re-treading well trod ground by making old ones!

Having read the article, I would say that is a cruel thing to do. Making a person a prisoner of their mind, though it does have its possibilities, on a line of punishment. Prisons have gotten away from their original intention, to rehabilitate a person.

So instead of having to make a prisoner serve 1000 years in an 8 hour time frame, what if it could be developed to help a person not re-commit a crime and reduce repeat offenders and ultimately rehabilitate the person that would be much more of a better effect and ultimately help out society. What we should be concerned about is the mental side effects if say a person were to do that, and they end up having mental problems as a result, that is far worse. And then there are the persons who are serial offenders, who get a perverse pleasure from doing such to others, that could make them worse.

originally posted by: Specimen
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Reminds me of the "Slow mo" drug from Dredd
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They also had a version of this time expansion technology in a Star Trek Voyager episode, where a convict is sentenced to a certain amount of time, say 50 years, and this is served in about a day in real time.

But a 1000 years?

Anyone would go stark raving bonkers after 100 years perceived or real.

Maybe a 30 year stint served in 15 minutes would see crims being released still sane.

But the real boon from this time expansion tech would be in problem solving, and intellectual pursuits.

A particularly difficult technological or engineering problem, where it might take a group of specialists 30 or 40 years to solve it, may only take a single day to solve...life extension problems, political, environmental, philosophical problems could all have minds focused on them for centuries, and only spend about a day or so in real time working on them.

We could solve every challenge, every 'impossible' engineering or technological problem within hours.

With this tech, we could figure out how to reach the stars in a week.

a reply to: crazyewok

A person who commits a murder goes to prison for it, and is possibly executed. That is how a criminal "pays" for what they did. No one thus far has suggested, as you claim, "give them a hug and let them walk free." So when someone comes to a thread where no one has suggested lessening punishment, and talks about wanting a criminal to "pay" well, they're obviously asking for more punishment than is already delivered.

This is reinforced when you see people thinking the idea of making convicts suffer more just for the sake of suffering is abhorrent, and accuse them of having "no concern for victims." And then another post demanding that hte only true justice be the infliction of pain and suffering on the criminal.

So, what more is needed to slake this lust for revenge, this thirst for blood and torment and pain and suffering? 'Cause, this desire isn't about the victims. No, that's an exploitative cover, no different than the time-honored "think of the children!"

Our system is not based on revenge. It is not based on the infliction of further suffering and pain. If victims of a crime are not satisfied with the grind of our justice system, I suppose that's too bad. But "getting creative" to inflict further harm on a convict because those he harmed just aren't viscerally satisfied is not how we work. Leave "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" to the days of bronze-age savagery, it has no place in a society that has developed past tribal warfare over goats.

dupe

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: FormOfTheLord
Imagine the possibility for learning? If we could combine this new drug with some form of audio visual learning aid like the virtual reality Oculus Rift device about to become mainstream we could impart just about all the collective knowledge of humanity to a user in a few hours time.
Provided of course our brains retain the knowledge and has the capacity store the information.

I know right, just imagine the upside of this technology if they made it based on controlled lucid dreaming, lucid dreaming under the control of the dreamers.

Yes we could also learn an infinate amount of information during a nights rest.

Just think of what humanity has done in the last 200 years, now do a 1000 years a night in lucid dreams and the possibilities are just endless.

One could live 1000 years in a fantasy world of wizard dungeons and dragons, worlds where you make your own rules, design laws of physics from scratch, live out your thousand years and save it on a kind of dream recorder once its got a bit of better resolution. . . . .

This reminds me of the episode of Deep Space 9 where Miles O'Brien is given the memory of twenty years in prison in a matter of hours.


Hard Time

There are so many different kinds of prisons and psychotropic drugs, who gets to chose?


I have been known to drink a Starbucks Latte prior to viewing an X files episode.
If you are being chased up a tree by a tiger you need a quick reaction time?
Does it help if you put on a Tang orange jump suit like Charlie Manson?

Psychotropic art needs percolation time.

Why are you all so forgiving ATS?

Let me get this right - after reading many replies on this thread, you people are in agreement that serious criminals are allowed the easy way out from their heinous crimes by escaping our world through execution or shelter inside a prison?

So there is no criminal in human history that you think is worthy of such a ‘horrible’ punishment?
Are you all that forgiving of monstrous criminals? Forget that they can serve life in prison as 'rehabilitation', or be executed and done with... what about the countless lives ruined as a result of monstrous crime? Mass murder? Effects that have and will continue to affect generations to come.

What about the severe mental disabilities and depression that have plagued entire families for the rest of their natural lives as a result of monstrous crime, and the children having to grow up with severe psychological issues, robbed of their childhood and the chance of a fruitful life?

Who gives them their justice?

How do they live out the rest of their lives in their nightmare of a life? The victims are innocent. They didn't commit the crime. Yet their lives are ruined in way CLEARLY not many of you on this thread can comprehend well enough, so as to forgive the world’s worst criminals so openly by denying them any form of severe torture or punishment.

Humans can be demons. Think back to the worst crimes you have heard off, mass murder in the millions that has had negative secondary impacts on society, families… crimes committed wilfully by unremorseful criminals? You just want to give them a quick death? Or life in prison? Do you honestly think this will deter extreme criminals in the future?
So the innocent victims are left to be tortured for the rest of their lives, but the criminals get a quick way out of their evil-doings…

I don’t understand the open forgiveness. I have thankfully not been a victim of monstrous crime myself, and yet I still manage to portray an idea of what such a victim might be going through. The anger and the vengeance they would feel towards their perpetrators - imagine what they themselves would say about this drug.

Surely such a drug would be reserved only for the most monstrous of criminals anyway. Who else deserves a 1000 year prison sentence?

I think that the use of such a thing as punishment should be considered torture. It's simply unnecessary. Prison serves its purpose just fine for serious crimes; it removes those people from society, which is all that really matters.
So let's say that some kind of child-raping serial killer is given this drug, and over the course of a few hours, experiences what seems like 1,000 years in prison... And then it's over. What then? What did you accomplish? Is that person then deemed fit to be released back into society?

Well when I think of it if they could do 1000 years in 8 hours they could probably do more, like a million or a billion, but doesnt that seem like eternal torment or hell created by humans. . .

I think this technology should not be used to torture, because torture is evil.

Rehabilitate mind control do what needs doing without inflicting suffering on others.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I imagine you would go crazy if you got a dose of this drug.

I think they should think of ways to use heavy mushroom doses this way instead.
A near ego death dose is with the right council as therapeutic as 4-5 sessions at a psychotherapist.

You can also with the right amount stretch time quite a lot.. with no sideeffects at all as long as the individual is not genetically predispotioned to become psychotic.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Interesting concept , but watching that video felt like I just served 1000 years.

Maybe the new water-boarding technique.

a reply to: darkbake

I imagine that the situation would dictate the mood regarding consumption, just like any other drug.

Possible applications regarding perception of time during prolonged journeys to other planets, or even stars. Combined with a some future form of suspended animation drugs like this may make interplanetary or even interstellar journeys bearable. Personally i can think of rather a few application for this type of drug. Obviously there are possible downsides or side-affects but those risks come with any pharmaceuticals.