Hang out on ATS chat and get aressted for it. This is scary folks!

originally posted by: KnightLight
If you actually read it it's about trafficking HACKED passwords.. It's punishable if it's a government computer, or if you gain access to info worth at least $5,000 or if this hacking is in furtherence of committing a felony

That's not reassuring when we live in a world like this:
www.digitaltrends.com...

In 2009, the former Boston University Ph.D student was ordered by a jury to pay damages amounting to $675,000, to be split between four major record labels, for illegally downloading and sharing 30 songs online as the result of a then-two year trial between Tenenbaum and the record labels. Now, after various attempts to explain that damages of $22,500 per song is a little extreme – not to mention, potentially out of his ability to pay – he has seemingly been ordered, once and for all, to pay up.

scitech.blogs.cnn.com...

After deliberating for only a few hours, the jury in Jammie Thomas-Rasset's federal retrial found the 32-year-old Minnesota mother liable for willfully infringing the copyrights of 24 songs she downloaded off the Web and awarded record labels $1.92 million.

...and the real kicker (and since this is ATS, the reason I believe $5,000 was selected as the price point): $5,000 is the standard "settlement offer" the RIAA presents to illegal downloaders in their strong-arm tactics. This new law essentially could be tacked onto those settlement cases, creating the first scenario I am aware of under US law in which the criminal charges are dependent on the findings of a lower burden of proof civil court decision. In theory, this law can be applied following an individual agreeing to a $5,000 settlement related to illegal downloads, creating a self incrimination nightmare.

originally posted by: KnightLight

originally posted by: roadgravel
I think the government feels the internet is too powerful a version of free speech. I works too well. They can't let that stand.

Since when is sharing a password considered part of hacking. Oh wait, law makers today are not known for their understanding of reality. I suppose there will be a blanket exception of all of the NSA.

You would have to be giving hacking advice to be part of a hacking group under RICO. The sharing passwords part is more about online content be it movie streaming or Windows product Keys, or Say gaming passwords.. Some people especially like an old friend of mine, or a lot of russians hack games and make them downloadable. You still need a password to get them installed, so they offer long lists of passwords..

My old friend used to hack companies, and just give out passwords to anyone.. He could make you any gamecube xbox or ps2 game. Or he could get you any password.

He can probably teach any number of people how to do what he did, and I am sure hes still under watch by the FBI after what went down, but anyway..

I see why they want laws like this. You shouldn't be able to get those passwords, and he shouldn't share them.

If you are giving your husband your password, you are not "sharing" it in any way they would care about. It's more about the mass password shares, and anything that is illegal.

I havn't read the proposals, but I suspect the article is overstating the facts.

Those are created by a keygen, and nowadays people just crack the software. This is not what the article references and you are either really misunderstanding this or flat out being deceptive.:

Sony hack makes more sense now in hindsight. Man, they're gunning hard for the internet....they'll get it, too.

originally posted by: dr1234


Those are created by a keygen, and nowadays people just crack the software. This is not what the article references and you are either really misunderstanding this or flat out being deceptive.:

The article was just wrong.. I read the actual law. Cracking games is not covered, So I wasn't mentioning that. To have an active online game you still need a legit cd key.

I was referring to the type of people this is aimed at..

You know.. Hackers.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

That section you are referencing in my post is under stolen passwords that you use to access a COMPUTER you should not have access to. It does not reference Data as a standalone thing. You have to read it as sections and know which section you are in.

You can be prosecuted for telling other people a password to a computer, or hacking into a computer, but not for stealing music under these laws.


It's related to Title 18 Section 1030 The Changes only come into effect in relation to committing a felony under this section.

RIGHT HERE

Read it.

1)having knowingly accessed a computer without authorization or exceeding authorized access, and by means of such conduct having obtained information that has been determined by the United States Government pursuant to an Executive order or statute to require protection against unauthorized disclosure for reasons of national defense or foreign relations,

2) intentionally accesses a computer without authorization or exceeds authorized access, and thereby obtains—

3) intentionally, without authorization to access any nonpublic computer of a department or agency of the United States, accesses such a computer of that department or agency that is exclusively for the use of the Government of the United States


*** 4)knowingly and with intent to defraud, accesses a protected computer without authorization, or exceeds authorized access, and by means of such conduct furthers the intended fraud and obtains anything of value, unless the object of the fraud and the thing obtained consists only of the use of the computer and the value of such use is not more than $5,000 in any 1-year period

5)knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer

*** 6)knowingly and with intent to defraud traffics (as defined in section 1029) in any password or similar information through which a computer may be accessed without authorization

7)with intent to extort from any person any money or other thing of value, transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any—
[paraphrase] : Threats, blackmail

SEE it's about accessing Computers.. And trafficking Passwords to gain access to Hacked Computers. The rest of it is Anti Botnets, Rootkits, Spyware, Adware...

Hackers, as described in my first post.. I sort of said what he did, but I can't remember exactly what the FBI investigated him for or why he went to jail, so I won't expand on that at all.



The proposed changes don't really add anything to that law except harsher punishments RICO, and forfeiture of property used to hack, or as a RICO someone connected to someone: IE hacker GROUPS.

The T&C's apply in chat. Just follow the T&C's and report anyone breaking them and your proverbial ass is covered.

originally posted by: Hefficide

The T&C's apply in chat. Just follow the T&C's and report anyone breaking them and your proverbial ass is covered.

Yeah.....If you See something, Say something....Right?

originally posted by: groundplant

Yeah.....If you See something, Say something....Right?

If you hang out with drug dealers you may talk to cops. Right?

But the T and Cs do not talk about what you just said..

I have the Laws linked in my posts. You can read them if you like.

originally posted by: groundplant

originally posted by: Hefficide

The T&C's apply in chat. Just follow the T&C's and report anyone breaking them and your proverbial ass is covered.

Yeah.....If you See something, Say something....Right?

This is where people get lost and become all sorts of ridiculously bitter. ATS is NOT the government!!! I mean, I realize that there are a few slightly damaged folks out there who spend their lives painstakingly trying to connect the dots and make it appear as such. But it just isn't.

Hell - just post a thread entitled "Do you know Hefficide outside of ATS" and plenty of people will be more than happy to tell you all about me. I do not hide behind online personas. Y'all call me John or Heff - people in my real life call me John or Heff.

So - yes, if you see something, say something. That way one of the moderators can fix the issue before it becomes bigger than it needs to be. Every so often we get some lunatic posting about how he's going to shoot the POTUS or things along that line and, damned straight "see something, say something". That way WE can remove the post and ban the member - hopefully before the Secret Service shows up to that persons house.

Good God the paranoia.

Would this also mean that if my husband and I purchased one account under his name for convenience, we could both be in trouble if I had the password and used it separately from him?

just don't try to buy your son a radio controlled monster truck with your husbands credit card & you should be fine

a reply to: calstorm

What makes this really comical is the elite hackers are well practiced in remaining anonymous in their activities so trying to enforce this on the hactivists is like trying to catch a ghost.


I am sure some unfortunate college kids and self proclaimed hackers will be caught and made an example of.

If you have a reputation for being a hacker or cyber pirate then you are doing something wrong.