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Milkyway Workhole Theory

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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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Based on the latest evidence and theories our galaxy could be a huge wormhole (or space-time tunnel, have you seen the movie "Interstellar?") and, if that were true, it would be "stable and navigable." This is the hypothesis put forward in a study published in Annals of Physics and conducted with the participation of SISSA in Trieste. The paper, the result of a collaboration between Indian, Italian and North American researchers, prompts scientists to re-think dark matter.

"If we combine the map of the dark matter in the Milky Way with the most recent Big Bang model to explain the universe and we hypothesize the existence of space-time tunnels, what we get is that our galaxy could really contain one of these tunnels, and that the tunnel could even be the size of the galaxy itself. But there's more," explains Paolo Salucci, astrophysicist of the International School for Advanced Studies (SISSA) of Trieste and a dark matter expert. "We could even travel through this tunnel, since, based on our calculations, it could be navigable. Just like the one we've all seen in the recent film 'Interstellar'." Salucci is among the authors of the paper recently published in Annals of Physics.



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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:32 PM
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A little tweak here, a pinch there, and....there, fixed your vid for ya:




posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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Cheers ^_^ a reply to: Aleister



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 08:32 PM
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you would need a ship entirely made of dark matter, You would need to be made of dark matter yourself. to fly in and out of there unharmed. Dark matter cannot compress any further. So if you enter, Nothing will happen to you. You can then enter the jet stream Which would lauch you towards the direction of the streams. Faster than the speed of light. Since the jet goes rather fast. Problem with that tho is it does not sustain the hole.

A physical worm whole is actually a bubble.

You create an artificial black hole. That exists as an horizonal plane at first. Once you enter it wraps around the ship and by funneling energy to the wraped hole it pushes you just like the jet current but at speeds faster than light.

Since there is little resistance. The sheild around you is entirely black matter. It may even be possible to be the same size and not shrink at all except the coating black matter and energy make the object invisible because black matter is invinsible.
A small layer, with particles tailgating flowing and turning into black matter jutting out the tail propelling the craft further and further. Protecting it from incoming particles.

Worm holes arn't something to mess around with, they can quickly convert regular matter into dark energy by crushing it.
If there is enough presence of it however. Dark energy acts as a pressurizing force. It basically pushes against particles since there is so much of it. That's what is able to hold a particle in shape and allow sub atomic particles to orbit. The particle reach beyond its magnetic ring and is push by a wall of dark energy which sustains and reduces the speed slightly. It's what prevents particls from reaching speeds faster than the speed of light. If there was literally nothing there mass would fly in every direction simply because it would exceed it's charge resistance to destabelization. Acellerated sub-atomic particles would simply fly away because mounting momentum would thrust it away since the force of the velocity would outsurpass the force of maintained orbit.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 09:22 PM
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wormholes being dangerous is dependent on the gravity gradient at the funnel end which is dependent upon how rapidly the funnel curves down into the throat. there is no singularity in a wormhole so if you can get down the funnel without being spaghettified you are fairly safe though touching the walls if that is even possible would result in comsic road rash.


no one knows what dark matter is really made of so it's kind of impossible to say what it would do beyond a few gravity related effects. whether it can even interact with you in any other way depends on it's exact nature. which we just don't know.

a cool thing about wormholes is you can chuck stuff through it and doing that manipulates the wormhole in useful ways instead of (as was hoped by some stuffed shirt physicist types that dun like 'em) destroying the wormhole.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: Akatsuki

I really don't understand how science works except it allows people with chalk boards...and chalk, to produce outrageous concepts which somehow gain attention and support from their less endowed peers. Worm holes are considered as an enticing way to allow humans to travel from one planet, galaxy or universe to another. Just how is that act physically done? By what sort of control and safety is envisioned for ship, life and limb if wormholes even exist? Is there any concepts of those primary concerns to human bodies in such romantic discussions? Or are they PC-envisioned as a balance, an antidote, for the fetal attractiveness of black holes, thereby we have the ying and yang of space, all things in balance?

I wonder if the driving force to hit us over the head with these outlandish concepts has to do with a deep human desire to get our asses into space or to explain how others may traverse the vast distances, or maybe simply to shift the focus away from what may be more practical solutions of transportation. Really, wormholes may indeed exist, but what great powers of of all existence must be envisioned for them to exist and be shortcuts to beyond this world?

Why do the chalkboard people not say in their symbols if X is more than G that the impossible is possible. In this case,"X" being an man-made field of energy that makes a body massless such that "G," gravity has no hold on it. And in due turn reduce that equation to a practical work as was done with Einstein's widely touted theory? Seems like child play to be, but then I've been accused of thinking that way.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: Akatsuki

I really don't understand how science works except it allows people with chalk boards...and chalk, to produce outrageous concepts which somehow gain attention and support from their less endowed peers. Worm holes are considered as an enticing way to allow humans to travel from one planet, galaxy or universe to another. Just how is that act physically done? By what sort of control and safety is envisioned for ship, life and limb if wormholes even exist? Is there any concepts of those primary concerns to human bodies in such romantic discussions? Or are they PC-envisioned as a balance, an antidote, for the fetal attractiveness of black holes, thereby we have the ying and yang of space, all things in balance?

I wonder if the driving force to hit us over the head with these outlandish concepts has to do with a deep human desire to get our asses into space or to explain how others may traverse the vast distances, or maybe simply to shift the focus away from what may be more practical solutions of transportation. Really, wormholes may indeed exist, but what great powers of of all existence must be envisioned for them to exist and be shortcuts to beyond this world?

Why do the chalkboard people not say in their symbols if X is more than G that the impossible is possible. In this case,"X" being an man-made field of energy that makes a body massless such that "G," gravity has no hold on it. And in due turn reduce that equation to a practical work as was done with Einstein's widely touted theory? Seems like child play to be, but then I've been accused of thinking that way.


wormholes arise out of the solutions for SRT and GRT. when topologies within those frameworks were explored wormholes popped out as one possible solution in a certain type of space. and einstein and Rosen and Podelsky (sp?) made one called a EPR bridge. later these were renamed to wormholes.

Wormholes were then offered as a means to get around the universe without violating relativity constraints but then as the concept was explored more thoroughly it became evident a wormhole could lead to time travel. Scientists like an orderly universe and this so horrified them that they set about to find some way to make wormholes illegal somehow some way.

causality ordering postulates and then causality ordering principles were proposed and to make these more than just an ad hoc supposition with no framework to support or enforce it a physical mechanism was needed. first it seemed negative mass or energy was needed to make a wormhole work. yeah but no; not really. Then it was noticed that something peculiar happened to a wormhole when you put stuff through it. and this results in a back reaction that the scientists hoped would collapse the wormhole before it could be used. This was called Cosmic Back Reaction. It turned out though this effect was true enough it did not always work to prevent a wormhole from being used. In fact sometimes it had quite the opposite effect. meaning the concept intended to shut them down actually makes them controllable and usable.

Where we are at now is there is a set of mathematical equations developed from Mach, Einstein, Sciama and others that provide a potential way to make or at least make existing wormholes usable. these equations show a way to potentially avoid the need for exotic matter in the construction and control of wormholes. we are a loooooooong way from being able to make use of this knowledge though.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 03:52 AM
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a reply to: Akatsuki
How exactly do wormholes correlate to dark matter an "the most recent Big Bang model" ? And what exactly is that "most recent Big Bang model"? I haven't been keeping tabs on the BB model evolution.

Let's see where this hypothesis is taken. It might just end up in the "bag" of interesting but unprovable hypotheses, like the idea that every black hole contains a universe and that our own universe is contained in a black hole.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 04:16 AM
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Like a galactic internet with its own terms and conditions. Those planets who are sold modems and connection must have a world government who will be the recognised account holder. Do you think it may be autocratically controlled this way?



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 06:22 AM
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originally posted by: wildespace
a reply to: Akatsuki
How exactly do wormholes correlate to dark matter an "the most recent Big Bang model" ? And what exactly is that "most recent Big Bang model"? I haven't been keeping tabs on the BB model evolution.

Let's see where this hypothesis is taken. It might just end up in the "bag" of interesting but unprovable hypotheses, like the idea that every black hole contains a universe and that our own universe is contained in a black hole.
perhaps your question can be answered by the links to the papers that article is based on. i posted a couple of links in my own abortive thread on this topic.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 11:41 AM
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Oh, great! A wormhole we can use. In the middle of the Galaxy.

All we have to do is get to it.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: Astyanax
Oh, great! A wormhole we can use. In the middle of the Galaxy.

All we have to do is get to it.
well for us the significance if this is true would not be that particular wormhole. but the fact that a stable traversible wormhole can exist, capiche? because if nature can do it then perhaps so can we.

that said; there is a theory that all wormholes are connected. if i recall correctly there were a couple of articles on wormholes in connectio n to gravity and entanglement last year where that was mentioned.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: stormbringer1701


if nature can do it then perhaps so can we.

I wouldn't put much money on it.



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: stormbringer1701


if nature can do it then perhaps so can we.

I wouldn't put much money on it.


we don't know enough to lay odds. we do know that scientists don't like them (because they make thing really disorderly and uncertain) and are reduced to hoping that quantum gravity when it is formulated some time in the future will rule it out because current physics as we understand it does not rule it out. the most that can be said is physics severely restricts them and even that derives mostly from suppositions that are more philosophy than physics such as causality protection principles.



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 12:30 AM
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interestingly there have been experiments involving entanglement where a chain of entangled particle observations determine the state of a particle after it ceases to exist in the past. and there has been an experiment where a particle was cloaked temporally. so causality ordering is already being challenged. additionally wormholes figure in the latest QG and entanglement theories. so...
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