Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You've just picked data that fits your agenda.

I can do that too. 100% of terrorist attack on Australia since 9/11 have been by Islamic organizations.

Source?

More to the point though, am I supposed to just accept that the 24,911 terrorist attacks GLOBALLY by Islamic organizations is no threat to anyone?

That's the number of attacks since 9/11. That's 14 years of terrorist attacks or 1780 attacks a year. Oh and your site is a xenophobic Christian site that tries to paint all Muslims as evil. How about trying a source that is a little less biased?

Like i said, you spin crap however you want it, but its still crap.

Pot calling the kettle black. You are ALL spin.

originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Krazysh0t

In evening the playing field you would have to even the islamic way of looking at non muslims and the way it makes violence its answer. Its not just a religion - its a political set of beliefs and a legal system that is not compatible with the west's ideas on freedom. Its supporters whether actived or not are muslims because they already choose to live under islamic rules - if you don't islam have a very good remedy for you.

Not compatible with Western thinking? Don't tell that to all the Muslims I work with on a daily basis that get along just fine in the Western world.

I am sorry, I don't see how you can level the field - its not just a religion and thinking about it that way is deluding yourself its far more pernicious. Do you think that the muslims who have settled here wouldn't immediately drop our way of life were a muslim majority to be reaching in your country? I doubt it because islam is instilled into them in their formatice years.

How can you speak for an entire population? For one, how studied are you in Muslim customs and religion? There are plenty of fundamentalist religious types that get along just fine in the Western world. They constantly try to fundamentalise the West, but we don't listen. Muslims are no different. Muslims have just as much chance of instituting their version of fundamentalism as Christians have of instituting their version of fundamentalism. None. You are speaking from fear.

a reply to: markosity1973

What do you think is the religion of the people who do this?

Let's not forget about this either.

Also Christians have a fundamentalist drug cartel under their belt.

Then there is always THIS scandal.

And finally, the biggest Christian terrorist of them all.

a reply to: FlySolo

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a reply to: Krazysh0t
Progressives MUST push YOUR myth or be exposed and become impotent.

How many trips to the middle east have YOU made?
My sources go back 10 years on rotations active and commercial.
THE NEWS is mostly propagadized garbage as is the HIPSTER craze YOU seem to have joined.

Just a few thoughts...
Breivik seemed more interested in religion as a means of cultural/social identity than religion as a means to theological truth.
Which brings me to my next thought: the (comparatively) recent surge in Muslim terrorists is probably similar. Before the Cold War, the European nations of the world pretty much dominated traditionally Muslim nations (Egypt, other African nations, Pakistan, sorta-Afghanistan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran/Persia, etc. etc.) During the mid-1900s, the inhabitants were embarking on some real soul-searching. Nations like Egypt and Persia had once been the light of the civilized world. The Ottoman empire had been an important geopolitical player until World War One. What had happened? People needed an explanation to make sense of their world, their decline, and how they could return to greatness.
There were two main competing ideologies: Arab Nationalism and what many now call Islamofascism. Arab Nationalists were nationalistic (duh) and more humanistic, influenced largely by socialism (If I recall correctly) and intoxicated by visions of future greatness. They embraced modernity, but rejected how the West had implemented it.
The other group was largely represented by the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoots, copycats, and competitors. Basically, their idea was that the Muslims were being punished for/had failed because they were forsaking their true religion (or something like that.) They fought a lot with the Arab Nationalists, but BOTH groups were trying to make sense of their world post-colonialism. Unlike the Arab Nationalists, who were saw their identity as, well, Arab Nationalists, the Islamofascists defined their identity in religious terms. (I.e. simple version: I am an Egyptian vs. I am a Muslim.)
Then Israel beat up on the Arab nations (a couple times, but I think it was the Six-Days War that really did them in.) This pretty much was the death sentence of Arab nationalism and its grand promises and left Islamofascism as the only other real *ideological* game in town. I think its explanatory power and simplistic view of the world make it easy for people to digest and follow, and it gives life meaning. Since no other ideological systems in the region are really promising to do that, radical Islamic ideology looks doubly attractive by comparison.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Agreed, stereotyping is wrong and not all Muslims are terrorist nor all Terrorist Muslims. I also know a few people that are Muslims and are outstanding individuals.


In addition, Islam is obviously under attack, Regardless if you agree that it should be or shouldn’t be under attack, it is.

With that said, I think the Muslim community must make MORE of an effort to decry some of the outrages crimes done in the name of Islam.

Not because they have to nor because they haven't in the past, but because they are being actively attacked in a very negative light and they are loosing the battle.

I think its ridiculous that the Muslim community should have to denounce and decry every action carried out by so called Muslim terrorists. However, they are under attack whether they like it or not . While their might be some efforts by the Muslim community , I personally don't see it as an affective effort in their part.

The The US Council of Muslim Organizations has a statement in their home page that clearly deplores the murder of James Foley and denounces ISIS uscmo.org... . However, the MSM clearly doesn't cover that information.

Like I said its not that the Muslim community is not decrying terrorism but they are not EFFECTIVELY fighting the apparent smear campaign against them and they are loosing the war. This should be issue 1 for them right now as it is turning the world against them. They should invest in advertising campaigns , community events, facebook, twitter, and anything that generates attention towards decrying terrorist events. Is it fair, no , but its reality.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yeah, well that's another side of the solution I didn't mention in my post but again, it only reinforces my point. It's going to take a thousand years and a catalyst moment. On one hand, the fanatic Muslim mind is a sick and vengeful one. On the other hand, Israeli occupation and suppression of the Palestinians fans the fire. So if you go the educational route, then not only will you need to re-educate an entire culture, but you will also need to suppress Israel long enough to do that. No easy challenge. And it can not be done with democracy.

There is only one outcome I can foresee based on our historical behaviors. Another crusade is on the horizon.

a reply to: interupt42

Again, while you are correct that the Muslim community needs to do more and begin to change the face of Muslims in the public eye, it will do no good. It's not joe public's impression that will save the day, it's akin to throwing pearls before the swine. And here's the hard part. The "moderate" Muslim that you know, counts for only a tiny tiny fraction. Sure, the N. Americanized born and raised Muslim may do more in their community, but not the ones in Muslim countries. In fact, 90% of those "moderate" Muslims in Muslim countries still think Apostates should be killed. They're not radical but they still hold onto the belief in an outer circle of radicalized Muslims which is the same. It's futile.

So to reiterate, not ALL Muslims are radical, but almost ALL have the same opinion about what to do with Apostates. Good luck changing that.

So the point that not all terrorist are muslims has been made.

O.k. that is just one way to look at it.

Some muslims are terrorist and the rest by way of possible unwillful ignorrance of the theme of the koran they support the ability of the terrorist to operate and hide among the people that possibly do not want to support such acts but at the same time they do support such acts by defending the source of the inspiration for the acts which is ancient war time writings that are open ended. Meaning the writer of those text never shows in the text how those verses are for hundreds of yrs ago and points to them being relevant today. This is similar to the old testament in the bible but in that case we had reformation by way of the cross that is showing us that those days of violence should be behind us by following the summation of the law Jesus gave which is love.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't know why you think pulling these statistics somehow minimizes what's going on today with ISIL. I feel somehow you're trying to demonstrate that we're looking at the wrong group or something. As far as I know, there is only one religion, one group, and one ideology which is hell bent on forming a Caliphate, recruiting young 20 something men and women from democratic countries and encouraging them to fly to Syria to partake in global domination.

Not pedophiles in the church or lone wolf Christian nut bags. So when your title says not ALL terrorists are Muslims, it's really downplaying that ALL Islamic terrorists ARE Muslims. 100% of them

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: Krazysh0t
Progressives MUST push YOUR myth or be exposed and become impotent.

Exposed to what? I didn't see you posting any counter evidence. Just more emphasizing of unnecessary words like you are typing angry or something.

How many trips to the middle east have YOU made?
My sources go back 10 years on rotations active and commercial.
THE NEWS is mostly propagadized garbage as is the HIPSTER craze YOU seem to have joined.

We've already had this discussion.

What we need to see to "level the playing field" are your examples of Christian beheadings, Christian car bombings, Christian kidnappings, stonings, mutilation, suicide bombers, then we can "level the playing field". There is no way to favorably compare Islam with Christianity or any other religion.

HERE is the eye opening truth regarding "moderate" Muslims whom are NOT radical. If even only 1% of Muslims are radical, (very conservative figure btw) then that accounts for 15 million. No small number. But when you factor in a poll on attitudes towards terrorism from a "moderate" standpoint, the figures change significantly.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
www.telegraph.co.uk...

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
www.cbsnews.com...&date=2011-04-06
www.webcitation.org...

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
people-press.org...

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
pajamasmedia.com...
www.ynetnews.com...

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
www.worldpublicopinion.org...

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
pewglobal.org...

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
pewglobal.org...

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
pewglobal.org...

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
www.hln.be...

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
www.populuslimited.com...
www.danielpipes.org...

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
pewresearch.org...=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
www.people-press.org...

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
pewresearch.org...=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
www.scotsman.com...
www.danielpipes.org...

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
www.fosis.org.uk...
www.danielpipes.org...

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
www.icmresearch.co.uk...
www.danielpipes.org...

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
www.populuslimited.com...
www.danielpipes.org...

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
www.pewforum.org...

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
www.pewforum.org...

PCPO (2014): 89% of Palestinians support Hamas and other terrorists firing rockets at Israeli civilians.
www.jihadwatch.org...

Pew Research (2013): Only 57% of Muslims worldwide disapprove of al-Qaeda. Only 51% disapprove of the Taliban. 13% support both groups and 1 in 4 refuse to say.
www.pewglobal.org...
www.pewglobal.org...

More...

And these are just the ones who aren't afraid to speak their mind. Fact is, that 15 million just grew about to 600,000,000. So in light of this information, I'm sick of hearing "oh what about the 98% of good Muslims who denounce terrorists" The entire religion is the motherload of bad ideas.

a reply to: interupt42

The problem is that they ARE denouncing these actions. The West just isn't listening to them... It's a no win situation...
"Muslims aren't doing enough to speak out...!"

a reply to: FlySolo

That may be the case, but that won't stop me from fighting tooth and nail to stop it using rationality and common sense.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't know why you think pulling these statistics somehow minimizes what's going on today with ISIL. I feel somehow you're trying to demonstrate that we're looking at the wrong group or something. As far as I know, there is only one religion, one group, and one ideology which is hell bent on forming a Caliphate, recruiting young 20 something men and women from democratic countries and encouraging them to fly to Syria to partake in global domination.

No, I am trying to show that Muslims aren't the only ones doing it. Christians are just as guilty of being fundamentalists and terrorists. By the way, the only group trying to make a caliphate is ISIS. No other group is trying to do that and not all Muslims terrorists are ISIS.

Not pedophiles in the church or lone wolf Christian nut bags. So when your title says not ALL terrorists are Muslims, it's really downplaying that ALL Islamic terrorists ARE Muslims. 100% of them

So? All Christian terrorists are Christians. What was the point of that?

originally posted by: tmeister182
What we need to see to "level the playing field" are your examples of Christian beheadings, Christian car bombings, Christian kidnappings, stonings, mutilation, suicide bombers, then we can "level the playing field". There is no way to favorably compare Islam with Christianity or any other religion.

Did you miss my link on the Knights Templar drug cartel? They do some pretty nasty things.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Just pointing out it's a semantics word game. Thing is, we're not at war with "christian" terrorists. It's really a moot point.

By the way, the only group trying to make a caliphate is ISIS. No other group is trying to do that and not all Muslims terrorists are ISIS.

No, not all are terrorists, but almost ALL back them up with their ideology. Same #, different pile.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You've just picked data that fits your agenda.

I can do that too. 100% of terrorist attack on Australia since 9/11 have been by Islamic organizations.

Source?

Sure - I wouldn't say it if I weren't able to back it up;

Endeavour Hills stabbings (2014)[edit]
Main article: 2014 Endeavour Hills stabbings
On 23 September 2014 an 18-year-old man, Numan Haider, was shot and killed by police outside Endeavour Hills police station. Victoria Police Assistant Commissioner Luke Cornelius said Haider had been asked to come to the police station to discuss behaviour "which had been causing some concern". When the man arrived outside the station, he stabbed the two officers as they went to meet him. The two stabbed officers, one from Victoria Police and one from the Australian Federal Police, were working together as part of a joint operation on counter-terrorism between the AFP and Victoria Police.[15] Haider was found to be carrying two knives and an Islamic State flag.[16]

Sydney hostage crisis (2014)[edit]
Main article: 2014 Sydney hostage crisis
On 15 December 2014, a self-proclaimed Muslim sheikh, Man Haron Monis, took 17 people hostage inside a chocolate café in Sydney. He forced hostages to hold up a jihadist black flag against a window of the café. On the early hours of 16 December, police breached the café and fatally shot Monis following the escape of several hostages. Two hostages also died, while another four people, including a police officer, were injured in the incident.[17][18]

Those are the only two terrorist attacks since 9/11 and here is my source

That's the number of attacks since 9/11. That's 14 years of terrorist attacks or 1780 attacks a year. Oh and your site is a xenophobic Christian site that tries to paint all Muslims as evil. How about trying a source that is a little less biased?

Just because the site has a clear agenda that you disagree with, it does not make the data untrue or any less relevant. I only linked the page to the number of attacks since 9/11 because I do not necesarily agree with everything else they have to say.

1780 attacks per year is a lot from one religion. Remember that yes while they are from different organizations with different ideologies, the common thread is the spread of Islam by force.

Pot calling the kettle black. You are ALL spin.

Facts are facts and everything I presented is a fact, I've provided sources for my Australia claim now, so you can see I am no liar and how easily the data can be manipulated for a given agenda. I've provided the list of terror attacks in 2014 so readers can count the number of Islamic organisations involved for themselves. And I provided it from neutral Wikipedia, so there is no phobic agenda for you to argue against.

Islam has a global agenda and everyone has the right to know the truth based in factual evidence, which I have provided.