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They were never there: Russia's silence for families of troops killed in Ukraine

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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: humanityrising

Great points! Both Russians and Ukrainians are great people. It's purely political why they are fighting because there are so many family ties between them they wouldn't fight each other without a government directing them to do it.




posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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originally posted by: noeltrotsky
a reply to: humanityrising

Great points! Both Russians and Ukrainians are great people. It's purely political why they are fighting because there are so many family ties between them they wouldn't fight each other without a government directing them to do it.


Sorry pal, cannot agree with you on that.

Russians are fighting for ethnic Russians in NovoRossiya.

Ukrainians are fighting against the Ethnic Russians. Ukes should pack up leave from NovoRossiya. That area is NOT their land anymore. If they persist on their heinous acts of killing civilians then they stand to lose much more including Kiev.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: victor7

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
a reply to: humanityrising

Great points! Both Russians and Ukrainians are great people. It's purely political why they are fighting because there are so many family ties between them they wouldn't fight each other without a government directing them to do it.


Sorry pal, cannot agree with you on that.

Russians are fighting for ethnic Russians in NovoRossiya.

Ukrainians are fighting against the Ethnic Russians. Ukes should pack up leave from NovoRossiya. That area is NOT their land anymore. If they persist on their heinous acts of killing civilians then they stand to lose much more including Kiev.


So when the ukranians try to keep their land you piss on them. th e land is theirs and they have a right to it.Russians are trying to come in just like in afghanistan and run off the people and replacing them with russian friendly puppets. If they want to be russian they can move there after being paid a fair price for their property. Imminent domain works wonders.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 10:30 AM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
I'm glad the Geneva Convention bans exactly what those 2 videos are. It's too bad that any repercussions for doing that will be far down the road. I do hope the Separatist leader faces justice for his actions.


The Geneva Convention bans crimes against humanity and it seems the leaders who have been getting orders from NATO to shell innocent civilians for no reason are also not prosecuted...but an interview with some captured soldiers is worse of course.


The conventions do not apply to non wars. war was never declared was it? Actually according to the conventions if they were used is anyone civilian or not shooting at a uniformed soldier is fair game to shoot dead legally.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: yuppa

People who claim that something is "against the Geneva Convention" seem not to have read any of the versions of it, in almost exactly the same way that people who are always claiming that something is "unconstitutional" seem never to have read the US Constitution.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: victor7
Russians are fighting for ethnic Russians in NovoRossiya.

Even Putin isn't using the term 'NovoRossiya' now.....didn't you get the propaganda memo? Last on the totem pole I guess...

www.themoscowtimes.com...



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

Funny iraqi death count has not hit the millions dead mark and they actually use death certificates. Where do you get the millions murdered from?

You including world wars? If thats the case russias got the highest kill count 20 plus millions dead and thats just officially reported ones. use accurate numbers not in accurate polls conducted by phone. that brit who ran it intentionally asked people to lie.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: elementalgrove

Funny iraqi death count has not hit the millions dead mark and they actually use death certificates. Where do you get the millions murdered from?

You including world wars? If thats the case russias got the highest kill count 20 plus millions dead and thats just officially reported ones. use accurate numbers not in accurate polls conducted by phone. that brit who ran it intentionally asked people to lie.


Staunchly Dark and EVIL arguments!! can only come from a decayed soul in misery. the unforgiven!!



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 11:34 AM
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On that note, considering how many countries the US has gotten involved with when the friendly leader is ousted by a coup(many times backed by Russia, sound familiar? Flipside of the coin), and considering that the US has invaded 14+ middle-eastern countries in the last two decades, not to mention the many others around the world.....

Pot calling the kettle black?

I should be clear I do not back Russia as they are corrupt too. Just pointing out the complete idiocy of thinking one is any better than the other.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
the leaders who have been getting orders from NATO to shell innocent civilians for no reason are also not prosecuted...


A damning claim if true.

Any evidence to support your statement?


Like this ?



In response to its economic struggles and Russia's invasion of the Crimea, the European Union on Wednesday said it's ready to give $15 billion in loans and grants to Ukraine. On Thursday, the U.S. House of Representatives overwhelmingly passed a measure that will fast-track $1 billion in loan guarantees to Ukraine.


Source

Without the money Ukraine wasn`t able to keep fighting.

So it`s ordered with the payments coming from the West...they can stop it by not providing funds and yet they keep providing the funds...so it`s ordered.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: humanityrising

And if we're really digging back on the genocide, the US wiped out a whole indigenous people in a most cruel and oppressive manner...
edit on 21-1-2015 by humanityrising because: spelling is hard



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: victor7

YES that metallica song is about me. I told lars they could write it. not.

I stated facts. since when does that make one as you say? Also are you God? IF not then you do not have the ability to judge me really.

Point is Russias not a choirboy. no country still around is.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: humanityrising

And we most heinously enslaved an entire race for centuries...

And the 20,000,000 that (majority starved, comparatively minute amount were purged) died weighs more how?

Both are evil. And you can bet the citizens of Russia look at our history in disgust the same way we do at theirs.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: humanityrising
a reply to: humanityrising

And if we're really digging back on the genocide, the US wiped out a whole indigenous people in a most cruel and oppressive manner...


The last Indian just died?



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 12:10 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien


So it`s ordered with the payments coming from the West...they can stop it by not providing funds and yet they keep providing the funds...so it`s ordered.


You have that exactly backwards. If Ukraine did not want to drive the Russian troops off their soil, they would not need EU money to fund the fighting, they would just stop.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 12:14 PM
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Putin evidently doesn't know how to use "Training accidents" like WE do...



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: DJW001

Actually there are over a billion Indians. Are you confused?



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: victor7

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
a reply to: humanityrising

Great points! Both Russians and Ukrainians are great people. It's purely political why they are fighting because there are so many family ties between them they wouldn't fight each other without a government directing them to do it.


Sorry pal, cannot agree with you on that.

Russians are fighting for ethnic Russians in NovoRossiya.

Ukrainians are fighting against the Ethnic Russians. Ukes should pack up leave from NovoRossiya. That area is NOT their land anymore.


You're perfectly fine when Germany takes back Koenigsberg, I mean "Kaliningrad" any time now, right?



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: humanityrising

While I'm hardly a fan of US foreign policy over the past few decades there is a difference. Through all the wars the US has yet to annex any land from the countries they have invaded. Putin has already annexed part of Ukraine as well as other countries. When the US leaves somewhere at least they leave that country with the illusion that they are self-governed. Under Putin Russia just doesn't leave.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: humanityrising
a reply to: humanityrising

And if we're really digging back on the genocide, the US wiped out a whole indigenous people in a most cruel and oppressive manner...


I think you should check your history again. Europeans were responsible for the bulk of that when they came to the new world and established their territories.

Funny how people ignore facts.




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