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They were never there: Russia's silence for families of troops killed in Ukraine

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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 08:19 PM
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Don't even know why such threads prop up in the first place. Russia, Russians and official Russian troops and weapons are very much involved in majority of action that is taking place in Ukraine.

What is the problem? Kiev forces are attacking the civilians without any discrimination so Russia have to do something to protect ethnic and Russian speaking peoples.

A truly patriotic Kiev leader and group of leaders should have long ago "yanked" itself out of the civil war, given independence to NovoRossiya and focused on own affairs and future. Both parts, west and east in Ukraine have pretty much come to standstill in terms of economic and social growth. Stupid leaders should understand that one to one they cannot stand upto certain powers like US, Russia, China etc.

It has been nearly 1 year with 6 months of very bloody and destructive fighting in this civil war and Kiev has not seen any support from west, EU or US. If that happens, then Kremlin will "warm up" other theaters that western forces are involved in and then it will become quite painful for the western interests. Time for Junta to bring the shutters down on the war show and walk away from losses incurred so far.
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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

As we know all things are provable without a shadow of a doubt!

I would not say that Russians are not being sent to Ukraine, I think that they are, to combat the mercenaries being sent in from the various NATO states financed by various NGO's.

The start of the article they reference this man Mihkail Khordorkovsky, now there is nothing that is not biased about this man as a source. See this article by William Engdahl

The real crime of Mihkail


Mikhail Khodorkovsky’s real crime was not stealing Russia’s assets for a pittance in the bandit era of Yeltsin. His real crime is that he was a key part of a Western intelligence operation to dismantle and destroy what remains of Russia as a functioning state


I have not seen the Guardian report in a pro-Russian manner, now seeing them start the article your thread is based of off referencing the likes of Mikhail causes it to scream propaganda in my book.
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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: noeltrotsky
I'm glad the Geneva Convention bans exactly what those 2 videos are. It's too bad that any repercussions for doing that will be far down the road. I do hope the Separatist leader faces justice for his actions.


The Geneva Convention bans crimes against humanity and it seems the leaders who have been getting orders from NATO to shell innocent civilians for no reason are also not prosecuted...but an interview with some captured soldiers is worse of course.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: TryAndStopTheFuture555

Funny...you're going on about being an American, but then refer to NATO as "you guys." And keep saying "you" when referring to America.

Curious that.


Not really.. Check his join date. I think we are back to the cheerleaders.

secondly Russians already gave 20 million lives, albeit for Stalin so its iffy if they were killed by the Axis forces or Stalin himself.

3rd I have never seen any military encounter where the US / NATO has engaged Russian military forces in a war. Kind of hard to "defeat" a nation militarily when no war ever occurred. Although I guess we could view the cold war as a win since it resulted in the collapse of the USSR.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:44 PM
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originally posted by: elementalgrove

I would not say that Russians are not being sent to Ukraine, I think that they are, to combat the mercenaries being sent in from the various NATO states financed by various NGO's.


Question about this statement -

If American mercenary forces were in Ukraine don't you think some would have been killed or captured? Would Pro Russians / Russian media not show them on tv like they do with the Ukrainians they capture?


see the problem with the claim?



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
the leaders who have been getting orders from NATO to shell innocent civilians for no reason are also not prosecuted...


A damning claim if true.

Any evidence to support your statement?



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Like this?



and this?



Here is another that looks to be exactly what you asked for, yes I do realize it is out of Iran.



Another Report


“We are talking about the continuation of the US policy of military intervention in Ukraine and a preparatory stage for a massacre in southeastern Ukraine,” Igor Korotchenko, editor-in-chief of the National Defense monthly Russian-language magazine said, adding that the deployment of mercenaries from a private company Greystone Ltd. may be financed by Ukrainian oligarchs and organized in coordination with the US State Department.


Yet another, this time they are Polish


A protest action against the participation of Polish soldiers and mercenaries in combat actions in Ukraine occurred on October 4 near the parliament building in Warsaw. Participants held flags of Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and the Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics. They carried placards with slogans: "Stop Bandera, "Stop supporting Banderites. We remember Volyn!", "No to Polish soldiers participation in NATO military operation in Ukraine".


I am failing to see the problem with the claim, however I am sure it is all simply propaganda, no?



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 10:57 PM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

Blackwater types are surely in Kiev region doing the training etc. but they are not in Donbass atleast in the front few layers.

What is active in the front is surely Barret M-82s with effective range of 1.8 kms and maximum 5km+. This is a fearsome sniper rifle, with long range.

Russia surely needs to not only match such items but also outnumber them in supplies to the NAF.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:36 AM
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a reply to: elementalgrove

US mercenaries are so good that they have taken no casualties and have not been caught??

If they are there we would be seeing them paraded on pro Russian russian TV in a parade. Like they do with Ukrainians they capture.

You don't find it unusual that Russian pro Russian media is reporting on presence and nothing else related?

Finally the RT and PressTV reports have been debunked. That info has been posted a few times now in this thread with links.


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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: elementalgrove



Ah yes RT is your source...I think we have all seen the truth's RT has been doling out as of late.

Here is another one of their great truths....posted by another in a thread just the other day.



That is just one of the many lies they have tried to pass off as a truth.



Ah yes Iranian state run tv...surely they would have done their research and found out that Blackwater is no longer in business and they do not have anyone in Ukraine, but hey what do facts matter when it's Iran doing the reporting.



Another Report


Global research...that's about as bad as Russian media when it comes to being truthful about the events in Ukraine.



Yet another, this time they are Polish


So we are back to bringing up lies from Russian media again. Just so you know LITPOLUKRBRIg is a joint force that is something that was done well before this conflict.


On June 14, 2007, during an EU Defence Ministers' meeting, Lithuanian, Polish and Ukrainian ministers agreed to create a multinational unit.[8] In fall of 2008 the proposed unit type was specified as a brigade.[8] The three countries did have experience in past joint military operations, most notably, through the Lithuanian-Polish Peace Force Battalion and the Polish–Ukrainian Peace Force Battalion.[8] Lithuania and Poland are NATO members, Ukraine is currently not but requested to join the NATO Membership Action Plan in January 2008.



The 4,500-strong brigade will have its headquarters and staff in Lublin, Poland, with the national components stationed in their respective countries and actually gathering together only for exercises and foreign missions.[9] Only its staff officers will cooperate on a regular basis.[12] Once it reaches operational readiness (estimated for autumn 2011,[2] with full readiness in 2013[12][13]) it will be used to fulfill tasks given to it by NATO, European Union (EU) and the United Nations.[11] The operating language of the brigade will be English.[14] As of 2014, the brigade has not yet been fully operational.


And then there is this...


In November 2009 Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza predicted the chances that the brigade would become a reality where larger if Yulia Tymoshenko would win the Ukrainian presidential election, 2010, and smaller if Viktor Yanukovych would win them.[16] Yanukovych won the elections,[17] but preparations for the brigade continued.[18] Yanukovych stated on May 27, 2010 that Ukraine considered Ukraine's relations with NATO as a partnership, "And Ukraine can't live without this [partnership], because Ukraine is a large country".[19]


en.wikipedia.org...

Interesting that Yanukovych was all up for this and in fact backed this in 2010 well before this war in Ukraine. It helps to do some research before posting things that you think are some sort of truth.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:50 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Your right Xcath,

The entire situation is nothing but patriotic forces of Ukraine rising up against those evil Ruskies who bided their time until this very moment to work towards a global conflict with NATO.

Anything to the contrary shall be debunked or not reported.

It is obvious that Putins ambitions for global dominance has resulted in Russian bases scattered across the globe.

Throughout the past 3 decades it has been Russias military murdering millions throughout the middle east, while simultaneously oppressing and intimidating all of their neighbors. They even came up with a game plan called Operation Gladio that called for terrorist attacks across Europe in order to make sure that America did not rise to dominance.

Oh wait a second I do believe I may have mixed things up. Although I am sure this fits your narrative!


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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:52 AM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

I was resonding to Xcaths specific request for Pro Russian media, how does this result in your surprise that I used RT?

All of those reports are no less credible than your Western outlets and their clear agenda.

As I said in the beginning it is all propaganda!

I can at least admit this to be true, you and Xcath have spent a ludicrous amount of time/threads to maintain the Western official script.

Peak outside sometime there is a life to be had!
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:10 AM
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a reply to: elementalgrove




I was resonding to Xcaths specific request for Pro Russian media, how does this result in your surprise that I used RT?


Not really a surprise that you would use them without doing any research behind the reports.



All of those reports are no less credible than your Western outlets and their clear agenda.


And yet when Russian sources get caught lying or outright making stories up the only thing that gets said is well your western media isn't any better. Funny thing is I never said they were, but I also know how to discern the BS from what is the truth, something those who continuously use Russian media as a source need to learn to do.



I can at least admit this to be true, you and Xcath have spent a ludicrous amount of time/threads to maintain the Western official script.


And yet you popup in the same threads towing the Russian line like a tugboat.



Peak outside sometime there is a life to be had!


Imagine that I do it everyday where I work inside and out all day long...in fact I am leaving for work right now. You thought you had something there didn't you...or actually you don't.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:31 AM
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Lol

Yes Tsurf, I did I really thought I had something with my flippant remark!

What a great rebuttle, you mean to say that you actually go outside in between your die hard support of everything West?

Mindblown!

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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:36 AM
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CIA occupies an entire floor in the building of the Security Service of Ukraine and they not to grow flowers and masturbate at the speed they organize ethnic cleansing in the south east, killing Russian and Ukrainian goyims to restore the Khazaria and the expansion of Israel to Volgograd. with regard to the military there is no case of those killed or capture a soldier of Russia can be only one document or passport or military ID. Russian troops passport citizen of Russia is kept in the safe of their military unit however, there was information that the junta prints fake Russian military tickets, repaint armored vehicles
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:50 AM
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:51 AM
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For what it's worth, I just spent the last week playing music with a Ukrainian from Kiev. He's younger, very intelligent and seems to have his finger on the pulse of young adults around him. We talked at length about the situation and he is adamant that the vibe with everyone he knows is that the west brought this whole thing on in more ways than one, and that they still have their hands deep in the conflict as we speak. He also said that the new government is worse than the old one. I'm pretty sure he's not a KGB agent, though he is suspiciously good at drumming.

On a second tip, as I've been traveling abroad the last month, I've spent most of the last month with Russians and they too are amazing people. It's a reminder that though our governments are constantly sparring for global influence, it really has nothing to do with us, and I choose to love Russians as a people.

The more I watch American and Russian propaganda, the more they start to look identical to me. They're both diabolical political entities with a tightly sealed propaganda-fed citizenry. It really makes me wonder if the top dogs in both governments are not friends behind closed doors. That might explain why every war ever is a proxy...'let's act like we hate each other and destroy someone else's country in the process'...



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 06:20 AM
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this master of masquerade and false flags Kiev junta advisers American tourists " pacifists " picshare.ru... good guys at a time when not blow Muslim mosques and homes in Donetsk . link cyber-berkut.org...
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 06:32 AM
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originally posted by: mangust69
this master of masquerade and false flags Kiev junta advisers American tourists " pacifists " picshare.ru... good guys at a time when not blow Muslim mosques and homes in Donetsk . link http:// translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&ie=UTF8&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.cyber-berkut.org


Like this?

qha.tv...



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: victor7

Thank you, Victor, for sharing a little bit of truth once again. Even though I disagree with you about what is to be done, at least we inhabit the same universe of facts!



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