So what about the 4th Amendment now? These have been used for 2 years...

New Police Radars can see inside homes.

Been in use for 2 years with barely a whisper.

WASHINGTON — At least 50 U.S. law enforcement agencies have secretly equipped their officers with radar devices that allow them to effectively peer through the walls of houses to see whether anyone is inside, a practice raising new concerns about the extent of government surveillance.

Those agencies, including the FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service, began deploying the radar systems more than two years ago with little notice to the courts and no public disclosure of when or how they would be used. The technology raises legal and privacy issues because the U.S. Supreme Court has said officers generally cannot use high-tech sensors to tell them about the inside of a person's house without first obtaining a search warrant.

So much for the 4th amendment. Or the need for warrants.

Heres the article(with video)..
Source

a reply to: OneManArmy

Feds encouraging civilian law enforcement to abandon their oath. Commit crimes.

See where this is going?

The 4th amendment protects against unlawful search and seizure. This just enables them to see in a residence to see if a suspect could be inside. Just like it does not violate your 4th amendment rights if they walk up and peer inside your windows. Besides, it just detects movement by radar, they are not actually able to SEE what you are doing.

Well the NSA was caught looking at, and passing around nudes. I wonder how long until this technology gets good enough for local authorities to abuse it in a similar manner.

Having a lot of power more often than not leads to abuse of that power. Of course the people pushing for this type of invasion of privacy have no problem with it being used on them, right...?

originally posted by: thesmokingman
The 4th amendment protects against unlawful search and seizure. This just enables them to see in a residence to see if a suspect could be inside. Just like it does not violate your 4th amendment rights if they walk up and peer inside your windows. Besides, it just detects movement by radar, they are not actually able to SEE what you are doing.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]

originally posted by: thesmokingman
The 4th amendment protects against unlawful search and seizure. This just enables them to see in a residence to see if a suspect could be inside. Just like it does not violate your 4th amendment rights if they walk up and peer inside your windows. Besides, it just detects movement by radar, they are not actually able to SEE what you are doing.

Looking through your walls to see if you are in is a "search".
And besides, they might not be able to see exactly what you are doing now. But what about in 5 years, when the technology is refined? Or 10 years.

Never mind the fact that this has been happening for 2 years already without barely a whisper.
Nothing to see here, take your medication, go back to sleep.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Well the NSA was caught looking at, and passing around nudes. I wonder how long until this technology gets good enough for local authorities to abuse it in a similar manner.

Having a lot of power more often than not leads to abuse of that power. Of course the people pushing for this type of invasion of privacy have no problem with it being used on them, right...?

Of course not, they have no problem with any of it. Any time anyone of any political, legal or industrial standing starts getting implicated in an investigation, the investigation is immediately shut down.
They are above the laws they create for the plebs.

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: thesmokingman
The 4th amendment protects against unlawful search and seizure. This just enables them to see in a residence to see if a suspect could be inside. Just like it does not violate your 4th amendment rights if they walk up and peer inside your windows. Besides, it just detects movement by radar, they are not actually able to SEE what you are doing.

Looking through your walls to see if you are in is a "search".
And besides, they might not be able to see exactly what you are doing now. But what about in 5 years, when the technology is refined? Or 10 years.

Never mind the fact that this has been happening for 2 years already without barely a whisper.
Nothing to see here, take your medication, go back to sleep.

It most certainly is not a "search". I dare you to prove me wrong....

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originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: thesmokingman
The 4th amendment protects against unlawful search and seizure. This just enables them to see in a residence to see if a suspect could be inside. Just like it does not violate your 4th amendment rights if they walk up and peer inside your windows. Besides, it just detects movement by radar, they are not actually able to SEE what you are doing.

Looking through your walls to see if you are in is a "search".
And besides, they might not be able to see exactly what you are doing now. But what about in 5 years, when the technology is refined? Or 10 years.

Never mind the fact that this has been happening for 2 years already without barely a whisper.
Nothing to see here, take your medication, go back to sleep.

When a police officer comes to your door, and he looks around inside as the door is open, is that a "search"? No. A search is to go inside and look around and through your personal belongings. Not looking inside your house from the outside.

Look at what the 4th amendment actually says:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It says "unreasonable" searches, if you don`t even know that they are doing it while they are doing it then how can you consider it unreasonable?
you aren`t being inconvienenced in any way,they aren't physically touching you or detaining you,you don`t even know that it`s happening so how can it be considered unreasonable?
If merely looking at a person is considered an unreasonable search then we are all guilty of unreasonably searching people everyday.

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
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Thanks, I did do a quick search but obviously didnt go far enough.

Close this thread.

originally posted by: Tardacus
Look at what the 4th amendment actually says:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It says "unreasonable" searches, if you don`t even know that they are doing it while they are doing it then how can you consider it unreasonable?
you aren`t being inconvienenced in any way,they aren't physically touching you or detaining you,you don`t even know that it`s happening so how can it be considered unreasonable?
If merely looking at a person is considered an unreasonable search then we are all guilty of unreasonably searching people everyday.

Without a warrant whos says whats reasonable or unreasonable?

originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass
a reply to: OneManArmy

Feds encouraging civilian law enforcement to abandon their oath. Commit crimes.

See where this is going?

Yes, the slippery slope of incremental tyranny.

A little chip here, a little chip there.

a reply to: thesmokingman

Coming on to my property without my consent constitutes a search or at least it used to. My neighbor was made to tear down the fence that he built around his yard, because the police couldn't see into his yard. They used an obscure ordinance to make him do it, even though he had a building permit to install the fence.

a reply to: OneManArmy

the 4th amendment says, it clearly says that unreasonable searches are prohibited with or without a warrant.

you seem to be asking what the definition of "reasonable" is as it pertains to the 4th amendment, the only answer I can give to that is the dictionary definition of the word reasonable:

rea·son·able adjective \ˈrēz-nə-bəl, ˈrē-zən-ə-bəl\

: fair and sensible

: fairly or moderately good

: not too expensive


1

a : being in accordance with reason

b : not extreme or excessive

c : moderate, fair

d : inexpensive

2

a : having the faculty of reason

b : possessing sound judgment

originally posted by: Tardacus
a reply to: OneManArmy

the 4th amendment says, it clearly says that unreasonable searches are prohibited with or without a warrant.

you seem to be asking what the definition of "reasonable" is as it pertains to the 4th amendment, the only answer I can give to that is the dictionary definition of the word reasonable:

rea·son·able adjective ˈrēz-nə-bəl, ˈrē-zən-ə-bəl

: fair and sensible

: fairly or moderately good

: not too expensive


1

a : being in accordance with reason

b : not extreme or excessive

c : moderate, fair

d : inexpensive

2

a : having the faculty of reason

b : possessing sound judgment

I dont find it reasonable, I dont find it fair.
I dont think it justified that police can go looking "into" my private property on a fishing exercise.

Is that not a reasonable assumption?

a reply to: OneManArmy

as it pertains to the 4th amendement though it is reasonable, as in it isn`t an extreme or excessive search, compared to entering your house and physically going through your things it is a very moderate (reasonable) search and doesn`t violate the 4th amendment IMO

Yes, its a "search". And while they may be able to peer into wondows or open doors, I, as a citizen, have the ability and the right to close and lock my doors, and put curtains, or blinds over my windows. In fact, I can duct tape black plastic over my windows, or staple blankets, or any other method to effectively seal all light from entering or exiting my windows if I so choose.

Question... Is there a way to block this intrusion? Or better yet, a way to block it without them being able to know I'm blocking it? There are radar jammers, right?

They could alsp use this to know when your house is empty so they can go inside to plant bugs, plant drugs, plant child porn, or just wait inside to ambush you when you come home. They could just send a drone equipped with one of these devices to fly over your home, way up in the atmosphere, so watching for suspicious vehicles wont help, or setting up surveillance cameras to watch for the same...

Funny Americans still think they have a constitution lol.