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Could man (the male human) be the devil or the devil's seed?

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posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020
Why are my opponents so keen with false accusations??

I haven't so far suggested genocide and made myself clear it isn't even considered in the remotest sense.

The plan is simply to attain 100% equality between the male and female. So far, only Iceland made it close to the goal, go figure.


The plan?? the thread title makes it clear you have no interest in equality, but instead a sexist agenda.


The abuse of women cannot be entirely blamed on uncontrolled hormonal urges of men. A lot has to do with how women are depicted in the mass media, in popular culture. In most nations, including the WEST still has big issues with equality when it comes to respect. Do you see respect with how women are seen in pornography? in strip clubs? etc.


Porn like sex is still seen as a taboo in society however it is not a weapon for feminists to use against men. Men and women both star in and produce porn for both men and women. It's a market to exploit just like anything related to sex.


Male strip clubs are born out of demand from gay men in most cases. Statistically speaking, we could do away with strip clubs for both sexes just for the sake of women.


Men and women will always be able to use sex to earn money from both men and women. To say the abolition of such establishments would help all women is fanciful feminist nonsense.


It isn't healthy and isn't fair that society would cater to the desires of few men at the expense of all women. Most sane men probably only visited strip clubs a few times their whole lives. It is something we can all live without and a few other things...


Strip clubs are not detrimental to all women, just like male strippers are not detrimental to all men. Your prudish attitude is not universally shared or justified as you seem to think it is...


Someone will probably say, it's our own faults for being too weak to take jobs such as dancing in strip clubs and prostitution and take jobs in porn biz. But laws still make a huge difference.... ...Take out the laws and law enforcement, live in anarchy and you'll see what I mean.


Nobody will say that, you're just looking to play the victim. You obviously have a very poor and stereotypical opinion of men.

The two sexes are different, and those differences should be celebrated. Your attempts to demonize men is and then play the victim is pretty pathetic TBH and helps no-one.

I have no clue as to how and why such a thread has been allowed to remain, if the title was something similar but reversed, such as 'Could women (the female human) be the hounds of hell?', i'm sure it would've been taken down in short order...




posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: Prezbo369

Men and women will always be able to use sex to earn money from both men and women. To say the abolition of such establishments would help all women is fanciful feminist nonsense.



Nonsense really?? Wouldn't help women at all??

Therefore, you wouldn't mind if you have a daughter who decides to work for the sex industry as a stripper or prostitute?



Based on this survey, there's a lot less women who will complain if such establishments are closed if replacement jobs (unrelated to the sex industry) will be given to sex workers who will lose their jobs at similar levels of income (page 31):

www.aeaweb.org...



I honestly can't believe in the things I'm reading to those replying to my posts. You guys are literally blind to the issues of women and fails in every way to provide a logical counter-argument to my posts with real world data to back it up.

Many of you have unbelievably ignored all the statistics I have posted so far backing these issues and giving us a big picture of what is going on. Big institutions have a big faith in statistics for a good reason - they are the key to finding solutions to problems! They are not stupid to waste millions of dollars on things that do not work and only spew nonsense!



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: johndeere2020

Are you a woman or a man?.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020

Therefore, you wouldn't mind if you have a daughter who decides to work for the sex industry as a stripper or prostitute?



Based on this survey, there's a lot less women who will complain if such establishments are closed if replacement jobs (unrelated to the sex industry) will be given to sex workers who will lose their jobs at similar levels of income (page 31):

www.aeaweb.org...



I honestly can't believe in the things I'm reading to those replying to my posts. You guys are literally blind to the issues of women and fails in every way to provide a logical counter-argument to my posts with real world data to back it up.

Many of you have unbelievably ignored all the statistics I have posted so far backing these issues and giving us a big picture of what is going on. Big institutions have a big faith in statistics for a good reason - they are the key to finding solutions to problems! They are not stupid to waste millions of dollars on things that do not work and only spew nonsense!


I teach self respect to my kids, when I ever get allowed to see them. I would hope that my daughter wouldnt feel the need to sell her self for money. I would consider that I had failed as a father, but I wouldnt deny her free will do so if she so wished. I dont own my children.

You seem to be totally ignorant of the fact that porn is one of the biggest industries on the planet.
Katie Price is rumoured to be worth £30 million+, she started out as a page 3 girl in The Sun newspaper, she got her "tits" out and is now worth a fortune. You seem to be under the impression she is a victim.
You also seem to be under the impression that women are incapable of enjoying sex or porn. Have you been to many hen nights?

You need to get off your high horse. Your statistics are skewed, and your assertions are false.
When you state some real issues regarding gender inequality then fair enough but the premise of this thread alone makes anything you have to say on the issue highly dubious at best.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: OneManArmy

I was once the only bloke at a Anne summers party with around 15 nurses.
I nearly died and oh the Horror I thought men were bad...



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 04:26 PM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: OneManArmy

I was once the only bloke at a Anne summers party with around 15 nurses.
I nearly died and oh the Horror I thought men were bad...


Nurses, lol.
They are animals.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: OneManArmy

I thought I was in for a great night....I was beaten about with things I never want to see again.



posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 05:03 PM
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originally posted by: OneManArmy
You seem to be totally ignorant of the fact that porn is one of the biggest industries on the planet.
Katie Price is rumoured to be worth £30 million+, she started out as a page 3 girl in The Sun newspaper, she got her "tits" out and is now worth a fortune. You seem to be under the impression she is a victim.
You also seem to be under the impression that women are incapable of enjoying sex or porn. Have you been to many hen nights?




The true essence of humanity doesn't and shouldn't focus on money.

There's a pretty good reason why most women steer clear from the idea of becoming a porn star despite the prospect of earning a huge fortune.

Perhaps, it's true, what profits a man or a woman if he or she gains the whole world but loses his or her soul (the living human essence)


I don't deny women's capacity for being sexual stimulated but they simply express it in a different way and it is much less likely to find women who browse porn. How they do it often doesn't cross one's private space it's far more harmless and benign than how men express it.




Absolutely convoluted stuff happens when some people have all the money in the world and some don't. Money is another thing I want to address but that is for another topic. Money is manipulation tool. We don't need it if we can all cooperate unselfishly.


And if we all can cooperate unselfishly, poverty will cease to exist and no one has to sell their bodies for sex anymore. Not to mention, all wars gone. I'm positive this will happen soon with the help of artificial intelligence which I'm also helping to develop independently. Not really difficult, it's just logical algorithms and all.
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posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 05:14 PM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020

originally posted by: OneManArmy
You seem to be totally ignorant of the fact that porn is one of the biggest industries on the planet.
Katie Price is rumoured to be worth £30 million+, she started out as a page 3 girl in The Sun newspaper, she got her "tits" out and is now worth a fortune. You seem to be under the impression she is a victim.
You also seem to be under the impression that women are incapable of enjoying sex or porn. Have you been to many hen nights?




The true essence of humanity doesn't and shouldn't focus on money.

There's a pretty good reason why most women steer clear from the idea of becoming a porn star despite the prospect of earning a huge fortune.

Perhaps, it's true, what profits a man or a woman if he or she gains the whole world but loses his or her soul (the living human essence)




Absolutely convoluted stuff happens when some people have all the money in the world and some don't. Money is another thing I want to address but that is for another topic. Money is manipulation tool. We don't need it if we can all cooperate unselfishly.


Money was created simply as a means to simplify exchange of goods. So people could cooperate easier.
It has since become God.

At last, a post I can agree with almost entirely.

Money is not a bad thing, the endless pursuit of status is. Status is simply a position of "authority" over others.
Wealth indicates status when money is raised to a position of God.
Money is simply to prevent you have to go to market with a cow, barter the cow for 2 chickens, a pig and a bag of grain, then going to barter a pig for some sheepskins, and a chicken for some vegetables and a bag of salt. See how money makes things so much easier.
The whole money system has been corrupted by those that have the most, so that it stays that way.


Women will always sell sex. They always have and they always will no matter how subtle it is.
Its not called the worlds oldest profession without reason.


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posted on Feb, 4 2015 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: OneManArmy

Women will always sell sex. They always have and they always will no matter how subtle it is.
Its not called the worlds oldest profession without reason.




Prostitution always follow poverty, drug abuse and history of being victimized sexually. Mass media helps (in a bad way) in this regards too.

Notice places with very little of those things have little to deal with prostitution. Most who end up in prostitution in such places are low-skilled immigrants who have not yet received permanent resident status or citizenship. They have little opportunities for a decent job or employers which will not exploit their vulnerable status. These things are common unfortunately.

A mentally healthy woman who never had any traumatic experience throughout her life, not hooked on drugs, had well accomplished friends, had plenty of opportunities for a rewarding career will never even consider becoming a prostitute. Maybe fantasize about the idea but that's as far as it will go.

Drugs, poverty, organized criminal syndicates, corruption, disrespect of women, and abuse. These are what causes prostitution and a host of other problems like high crime rates.

Fortunately, solving poverty alone would already solve a host of social problems caused by it. The solution is just around the corner now with the help of technology,



posted on Feb, 5 2015 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020

Nonsense really?? Wouldn't help women at all??


Yes utter nonsense, you said that the abolition of such places would help all women which is obviously a complete fantasy.


Therefore, you wouldn't mind if you have a daughter who decides to work for the sex industry as a stripper or prostitute?


I would prefer it that neither my son nor my daughter became strippers, prostitutes instead of the keeping professions they currently hold, mainly due to the taboos society has around sex.

However if either of them decided to carry out such work I would ultimately have to respect that choice and help them to ensure they were safe in any way I could.


Based on this survey, there's a lot less women who will complain if such establishments are closed if replacement jobs (unrelated to the sex industry) will be given to sex workers who will lose their jobs at similar levels of income (page 31):

www.aeaweb.org...


I couldn't find anything like what you describe on page 31 however I'm sure that many workers would chose a different occupation if another job with a similar wage was offered. But you could say the same for a great many other people in different jobs unrelated to sex...


I honestly can't believe in the things I'm reading to those replying to my posts. You guys are literally blind to the issues of women and fails in every way to provide a logical counter-argument to my posts with real world data to back it up.

Many of you have unbelievably ignored all the statistics I have posted so far backing these issues and giving us a big picture of what is going on. Big institutions have a big faith in statistics for a good reason - they are the key to finding solutions to problems! They are not stupid to waste millions of dollars on things that do not work and only spew nonsense!


Data like your above link?

You seem to enjoy depicting all women as victims, waiting to be saved from the evil sex villain men.

It's attitudes like this that cause the biggest divides between men and women in 2015, it's utter misogynistic garbage.

You're making the world a worse place to live for everyone else.
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posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 05:29 AM
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originally posted by: Prezbo369
I would prefer it that neither my son nor my daughter became strippers, prostitutes instead of the keeping professions they currently hold, mainly due to the taboos society has around sex.

However if either of them decided to carry out such work I would ultimately have to respect that choice and help them to ensure they were safe in any way I could.



There's my point.

You don't like it either and here you are accusing me of nonsense when I'm suggesting in our laws to outlaw it altogether.


Are you just keen on contradicting everyone even if they are right???



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020

originally posted by: OneManArmy

Women will always sell sex. They always have and they always will no matter how subtle it is.
Its not called the worlds oldest profession without reason.




Prostitution always follow poverty, drug abuse and history of being victimized sexually. Mass media helps (in a bad way) in this regards too.

Notice places with very little of those things have little to deal with prostitution. Most who end up in prostitution in such places are low-skilled immigrants who have not yet received permanent resident status or citizenship. They have little opportunities for a decent job or employers which will not exploit their vulnerable status. These things are common unfortunately.

A mentally healthy woman who never had any traumatic experience throughout her life, not hooked on drugs, had well accomplished friends, had plenty of opportunities for a rewarding career will never even consider becoming a prostitute. Maybe fantasize about the idea but that's as far as it will go.

Drugs, poverty, organized criminal syndicates, corruption, disrespect of women, and abuse. These are what causes prostitution and a host of other problems like high crime rates.

Fortunately, solving poverty alone would already solve a host of social problems caused by it. The solution is just around the corner now with the help of technology,


While poverty and drug addiction has a big part to play in prostitution, you talk like it is only poor people that sell sex.
What causes prostitution is people that want to make money.
You are aware that some of the biggest users of prostitutes are those at the highest levels of society.
The solution is NOT around the corner, because of corruption and greed by those that already have.

Once again you are making assumptions of what others think based on your own very narrow world view.
Commerce is all about supply and demand, as long as there is a demand there will be people supplying that demand.
Even Saudi Arabia with its very strict laws still has a thriving prostitution trade.
Newsflash: Women use male prostitutes and escort agencies too.

A word of advice, please stop thinking that just because you think a certain way that everyone else should too.
Suck it up, because in a "free" western democracy people are allowed to do as they like within the law. And your prudish attitudes can take a leap. Sorry, but thats life.



posted on Feb, 6 2015 @ 11:55 AM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020


Are you just keen on contradicting everyone even if they are right???


It seems to be just you that is doing that.

I have posted plenty of links that totally disprove your claims and then you just ignore it.
And then you have the front to accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of.
Hypocrisy much?



posted on Feb, 7 2015 @ 11:51 PM
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originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: johndeere2020
Are you just keen on contradicting everyone even if they are right???


It seems to be just you that is doing that.

I have posted plenty of links that totally disprove your claims and then you just ignore it.
And then you have the front to accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of.
Hypocrisy much?




I'm sorry but I don't see any links you posted. I searched three pages back and didn't see anything but my own links only.

Would you be kind enough to put those links in your reply to this post? I have disabled colors and graphics on my browser due to my slow internet, perhaps some glitch and it's not showing up.

I prefer to see numbers - statistical data from surveys, studies, etc, I'm sure it's easy to find them out there if it's a generally and universally accepted fact.

I will not accept information such as "it happens in both". It's too vague, it's like saying "everyone made a mistake so let's fire everyone!". No, that's not how things work in the real world. We need to see numbers to have pinpoint accuracy on what needs to be done.



I'm tempted to return your accusation of hypocrisy to you but so far, I seem to be the most objective poster here by supporting my claims with links which show meaningful and scientific data. So I'll be the one to do the mature thing of controlling myself, unless I have to state more facts again.
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posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 08:37 AM
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All my links were on your other crazy man hating thread.

Here



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 10:59 AM
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you got it backwards.... Human mind made the Devil a personified entity...Man himself is not the personification of an actual/realistic Devil...

there are always a small percentage of humanity who become indwelt with 'evil' be it from Nature or Nurture is specific to that person... I don't think being a 'bad-seed' is tied to heredity but to a combined psychological-spiritual aberration of that individual's psyche...and further driven by that persons desire to be the most evil/possessed they can be...

psycho dramas


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posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 01:26 PM
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Blood thirsty God of the Jews? You are very, very ignorant. That only thing you are right about is that the world is cursed. Moses in vain prohibited the drinking of blood. It was the gods of the land which the Jews fell worship to by turning away from the true God, but the true God always opposed blood in every way - made boldly known in the new covenant. But I know you will still fight for what is false, like everyone does, because we live in a prideful egotistical age, a selfish age of direct opposition to what is holy.

Lol, that is so hilarious that a woman hears you say that man is the devil - and she says that your logic is flawed and you are being sexist. You cannot win with these egotistical creatures - you say they are not the devil and they argue! You say they are the devil and they argue! And I think that you also have manipulation in mind by bringing up these things - which means you are also wicked. You manipulated her, and that is why you caused the reaction.

This shows what is really the devil - it is not woman or man born from a woman - it is the human ego. It is all the negative attributes that come along with the pathetic emotions which come to existence from the human ego. These feelings of jealousy and negativity are so primitive! That is why I claim it will take 1,000s of years before women can be holy - because they are nowhere close to trading their ego for a humble spirit - it is just not going to happen in any woman. Now men are not perfect, but holy men do exist, however holy women do not. I am not saying that it is not common for men to be wicked - but I am saying that nearly all women are wicked and do not have the ability to humble themselves.

The answer is not a natural chemical produced by the human body - but by the act of human pride. Now testosterone can help be a factor in pride, but it does not define pride, you can have testosterone and not pride. However women do not have testosterone, but they still have more ego and self-pride than man. It was taught (and it frustrates me that after 2,000 years of teaching being ignored, there is no chance that my one teaching will be heard) that the WAY to God is denial of selfishness.

Giving up of oneself is taking up your cross. It is showing that you are less important. This is something that cannot be done with people who have self pride, man or woman. But how many women do you know that would give up material things for their spirituality? I know a woman who claims she is more faithful than her husband. But every action is based on egotistical power and control. Even when she is wrong, she will still argue to the finish. You cannot win an argument with her because she has so much pride she has to be right even when she is wrong. Every act from this mind state is selfish, the opposite of giving. Every act of this kind goes against what was taught. The reason why I understand this age to be full of hypocrites. They claim to have faith, but if you look at their works - they are a total disgrace and go against every little teaching of Christ.

Now this is not entirely her fault, because the devil has taught that faith is salvation with no deeds. I am so helpless, that Pauline Christianity stole the righteous teachings from the Jews and changed them, and now everybody believes the Gentiles and not the Jews who witnessed Jesus. They think the Jews killed Jesus and they never consider the Jews that followed Jesus.

Because of this manipulation of holy teachings, you all are so caught up between arguing of faith, and you have completely forgot that it is not faith which calls for righteousness, but it is works. It is rather sickening to understand how far away people like you are from the truth. You represent everything false - Ego, Pride, and Manipulation.

But again, MY WORDS ARE NOT GOING TO BE HEARD BECAUSE THEY ARE THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS HIDDEN SINCE PEOPLE WITH SUCH INCREDIBLE EGOS ALWAYS REJECT WHAT THEY CANNOT CONTROL.



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 11:30 PM
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originally posted by: OneManArmy
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All my links were on your other crazy man hating thread.

Here




I remember now and I've also read similar articles before.


But there is a logical explanation why such things happen:

- The survey was conducted in USA where women (without considering discrimination) have equal rights to men in everything.

- In a typical and normal American family, the woman seems to have the upper hand in more things and the man less respected (I'm being frank here so I won't sugar coat anything)


The links you provided still support my "inequality hypothesis" in which case, the man by free will is subjective to the woman in family units that is why women are more often the abuser in this case.

But outside of family units and especially in many deeply religious nations, the women are in a bad shape because of how religion and mass media portrayed women. This is the problem that I'd like to address.

The problem of women domineering in family units is something you can blame against the mass media who stereotypes husbands worshiping their wives. This is not a religion problem since such notion contradicts the popular abrahamic religions.



Again, this highlights the problem of mass media stereotyping inequality which passes off as comedy. I hope I'm not the only one seeing this, it's far too obvious to miss.



posted on Feb, 8 2015 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: FlyersFan

Could man (the male human) be the devil or the devil's seed?


Answer - NO. It's impossible.

Humans are organic creatures.
The devil is an etherial fallen angel without reproductive capabilities.
Angels are all created by God and can't have offspring.



Then how did the devil get from a angel to a devil

And how does God, according to Christian dogma have a son, and not a daughter, wife and aunt, Uncle etc



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