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Could man (the male human) be the devil or the devil's seed?

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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 11:42 PM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: ScientificRailgun



Show me a single documented example of a female human reproducing without a male's genetic material. Just one, please.


Jesus.

(I think the story is BS, just playing devil's advocate)


The male side was the Holy Spirit. Sin is transfered from the male to the child that is why a curse is for three generations from father to son to son. The Holy Spirit being non created and not part of the fall was sinless and provided the male sperm to Mary's egg.




posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: galadofwarthethird

I always thought it was more like this, God was all like Adam why you looking all mopey and down. Adam was like he's tired of talking with animals that all be looking at him crazy. So God was said I'll make you a partner that talks back. Adam was all excited but that was short lived when god had said it was going to cost him an arm and a leg, Adam thought about and asked God what does he get for a rib.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020

originally posted by: kloejen

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Maybe that's why the demiurge is likened to sperm in its depictions? Maybe it's a clue to Jesus' conception being "of the devil"?

Just a few random thoughts of mine.




Interesting thoughts. So maybe the sperm cell itself, is the evil snake/devil from the Garden of Eden?

So maybe it was actually Eve and Lilith running happily around the Eden, having fun in the first place.
The some day they had an argument, and stopped talking to each other, as women do, and then Eve met the evil snake/sperm/devil?

hmmm...

Maybe it was Lilith that ate the apple?


According to Jewish folklore Lilith was Adam’s first wife.

Lilith

All in all... women!



Lilith wasn't human at least according to Jewish myths. She was created a little later than Adam and was an improved version but being more basic so likely had animal characteristics, likely reptilian or avian.

Lilith was likely the serpent in Genesis who tried to save Eve from deceit. Lilith came back as Jesus to sought out Mary Magdalene who was likely to be the incarnate of Eve.

There wasn't homoerotic between the relationship between Jesus and the beloved disciple because they are both women.


Where do you come up with this crap?



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 12:45 AM
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originally posted by: ScientificRailgunGiven advanced enough technology, a Scientist could "grow" a cloned human male without need of a womb, so the argument goes both ways.



But a male would still need an egg for the cloning process.

A female would not....


Given enough technology, it would take far more advanced and far more expensive technology to clone a male without the egg cell. In a very difficult situation, it would give females a huge advantage over the males. In a case of complete breakdown of law and order, the likelihood of females separating from the males is very high after a few generations to escape abuse, slavery, and atrocities from males which is very likely in anarchy.


That's a huge difference there! The context in religion, especially for the most popular religions on the planet is the superior importance given to the male. But scientifically and morally - speaking, males are the inferior species.

Religion = lie. The truth twisted to the opposite meaning.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:38 AM
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originally posted by: MKMoniker
"And I find more bitter than death, the woman whose heart is snares and nets, whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God shall escape from her, but the sinner shall be trapped by her."
Ecclesiastes 7:26

"(A woman's) throat is an open tomb; with their tongues they have practiced deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips. Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness."
Romans 3:13-14



Eccliastes is part of the Tanakh (Judaism/Pharisee)

Apostle Paul who wrote Romans is a Pharisee (Proto Judaism)


Daily Orthodox Jewish prayer:

www.myjewishlearning.com...


"Blessed are you, Lord, our God, ruler of the universe who has not created me a woman."



Both Christianity and Islam also came from Pharisee/Judaism. They are called "Abrahamic Religions" In John 8, Jesus told them, they worship the devil.

Abrahamic religions despise the serpent for a reason - it is wise and difficult to deceive and more importantly, it can reproduce without a male!



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020

originally posted by: MKMoniker
"And I find more bitter than death, the woman whose heart is snares and nets, whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God shall escape from her, but the sinner shall be trapped by her."
Ecclesiastes 7:26

"(A woman's) throat is an open tomb; with their tongues they have practiced deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips. Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness."
Romans 3:13-14



Eccliastes is part of the Tanakh (Judaism/Pharisee)

Apostle Paul who wrote Romans is a Pharisee (Proto Judaism)


Daily Orthodox Jewish prayer:

www.myjewishlearning.com...


"Blessed are you, Lord, our God, ruler of the universe who has not created me a woman."



Both Christianity and Islam also came from Pharisee/Judaism. They are called "Abrahamic Religions" In John 8, Jesus told them, they worship the devil.

Abrahamic religions despise the serpent for a reason - it is wise and difficult to deceive and more importantly, it can reproduce without a male!


No, christians hate the serpent because it deceived Eve and gave humanity the belief they could be Gods.
Hence why it was cursed to crawl on its belly in the dirt.

Jesus didnt say anything to anyone about Islam or Christianity, it didnt exist, Christianity didnt exist until Jesus was ascended and made Christ yet and I have my doubts that Jesus even existed either.
On one thread you are using religion to justify the extinction of man, on the other its "science".

Talking of deception, its seems you are fooling yourself.
Go figure.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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I have to say I think your statement is a little far fetched. The devil is mainly lust, which is could be manifested in the relation between the male and female (either that or love). If this relation is corrupted with lust, both sides will effected by this. Therefore, how corny it may sound the only balance in life and the world would be if love conquires lust. If one awesomes the relation is supposed to be imbalanced, the world will arrive at a terrible state (much like now).

Last but not least, you have a point, when you say tostesterone is often related to 'aggressiveness ' or foolishness, agressiveness is the best way to describe it. However aggressiveness is not something bad per se, for it could be a warrior's instinct to destroy the devil and protect the female.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020
First, we establish the fact in Gnosticism, the "Demiurge" is the chief evil of the Universe. It is the same blood-thirsty god of the Jews in the Old Testament of the Bible - the creator of the fake/evil Universe where we live in.

Links to references below this post (please bear with me):

Parallels between the Demiurge and the Sperm cell:

- Demiurge - maker of man
- Sperm cell - maker of man; you can make a perfectly normal and fertile woman **without sperm cell** (using egg cell(s) only!) as scientifically proven but you can't make a man without sperm cell in mammals and reptiles

- Demiurge - infamous for his arrogance and one of the names he is called means "fool"
- Testosterone - linked to aggressiveness and "foolishness" in men

- Demiurge - resides in chaos
- Sperm cells - chaotic existence together as opposed to the singular and orderly egg cell.


WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE!!

Demiurge:
drawing of a demiurge

Sperm cell:
diagram of a sperm cell


Some really hard truths coming soon with undeniable evidence in genetics...


What we have taken for norms in our world is actually a curse!!


Sources:

en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

Is Testosterone Deadly? | RealClearScience


Well according to your beliefs then what do you have to say about Lilith...she's a woman and supposedly pure evil.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 01:05 AM
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originally posted by: OneManArmy
No, christians hate the serpent because it deceived Eve and gave humanity the belief they could be Gods.
Hence why it was cursed to crawl on its belly in the dirt.

Jesus didnt say anything to anyone about Islam or Christianity, it didnt exist, Christianity didnt exist until Jesus was ascended and made Christ yet and I have my doubts that Jesus even existed either.
On one thread you are using religion to justify the extinction of man, on the other its "science".

Talking of deception, its seems you are fooling yourself.
Go figure.



You did not seem to notice my post on the Jewish prayer - "Thank God I'm not a woman"

Christianity, Islam, etc are just labels. They belong to the same group Pharisee also belonged to. You see Jesus did not belonged to Christianity - the group simply adopted the label, but not the ways of Christ. The group who calls themselves Christians are no different than the Pharisee whom Islam borrowed many elements from.

All these three religions discriminate/demonize women to varying degrees. How little the role they play but reality shows the opposite. Religion is lying to you.

Lilith is my mother. Call Her a demon if you like but in the end, the truth will be made known, a time when there are no more wars, no more crimes, no more violence, and no more atrocities.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 01:10 AM
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a reply to: johndeere2020

I just want you to know I give you a star every time I am entertained by your posts. I always thought Lilith was the first betrayer of man, I will consult with who I think is an expert about it but until then I remain skeptical about your "info"



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 01:11 AM
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originally posted by: Jenisiz
Well according to your beliefs then what do you have to say about Lilith...she's a woman and supposedly pure evil.


I have to say it again, Lilith is my mother.

- Myths say she harms pregnant women.
truth: invading hordes of men cuts up pregnant women which kills the baby

- Myths say she kills babies and is a threat to young children
truth: invading hordes of men dashes babies into walls and rapes and kills little children

- Myths say she is an adulterer
truth: men are more commonly found to be adulterers than women.


Truth: she has never done anything evil. The evil she was falsely accused of was done by men instead.
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posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 01:24 AM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020

Lilith is my mother. Call Her a demon if you like but in the end, the truth will be made known, a time when there are no more wars, no more crimes, no more violence, and no more atrocities.


Do you really believe that women are exempt from all of the above? You think that in a male-free world, everyone will be at peace and there will be no conflict? If you really believe that, then you are beyond deluded...



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 02:16 AM
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originally posted by: Dark Ghost
Do you really believe that women are exempt from all of the above? You think that in a male-free world, everyone will be at peace and there will be no conflict? If you really believe that, then you are beyond deluded...


False accusations again and again...

Taking men out is not the answer to world peace. The answer to that is equality of the sexes in everything which the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) and many other religions do not respect.

Notice the most peaceful nations with least crime and highest standards of living are also the least religious (with the exception of China)

en.wikipedia.org...

The more religious a country is, the worse its living conditions, the higher cases of human rights abuses, and especially worse for women.

You guys should not be ignorant of this, you are hearing it in the news everyday!



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 05:07 AM
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a reply to: johndeere2020

So your gripe is with the Abrahamic religions? You think that without them there would be greater equality for women and world peace?

If so, how does this tie in with your opening post?



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: johndeere2020

So your gripe is with the Abrahamic religions? You think that without them there would be greater equality for women and world peace?

If so, how does this tie in with your opening post?



Statistically, in the factual and scientific context, man is more evil than woman.

The incarceration rate of men vs women (for breaking the law) is a near consistent 10:1 from 1920s to 2000s in USA alone More than 90% of prison population in USA are men.

In the complete collapse of law and order due to a military invasion for example, women and children are often raped, murdered, and tortured by the invading forces whom are mostly males. Ironically, even some of the conquered civilian males take advantage of the anarchy and turn to raping women and children.

Gnosticism's description of their satan or the chief evil - the Demiurge has a physical description which looks like a sperm cell.

The demiurge fits the description of the Abrahamic god according to the teachings of the said god. And coincidentally, upholds the status of the more evil men over women.

More than half the world population is under the Abrahamic religion. Some of the worst nations in the world which figures badly in human rights are also the most religious with only relatively few exceptions.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020

Statistically, in the factual and scientific context, man is more evil than woman.


Just because you insert the word 'scientific' into a sentence doesn't mean what your saying actually is scientific, or has any scientific basis.


The incarceration rate of men vs women (for breaking the law) is a near consistent 10:1 from 1920s to 2000s in USA alone More than 90% of prison population in USA are men.


Most homeless and starving people in the world are men...


In the complete collapse of law and order due to a military invasion for example, women and children are often raped, murdered, and tortured by the invading forces whom are mostly males. Ironically, even some of the conquered civilian males take advantage of the anarchy and turn to raping women and children.


Women rape and abuse children too.

Women are not angelic creatures incapable of doing evil, they're just as human as men are and are just as prone to everything that comes with it.

You're making this world a worse place to live with this kind of sexist and vile misandry.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 07:46 AM
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Well this is a new way to use the Bible to spread hate... I must say that turnabout is fair play since men have been using the bible to do this to women for thousands of years, but alas OP you are wrong and really need to go reflect on your values. Men aren't all evil (and neither are women). We are all just humans. Evil (nor good) doesn't exist anyways. It's all just shades of gray (that can change depending on the situation).
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posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: Prezbo369
Women rape and abuse children too.

Women are not angelic creatures incapable of doing evil, they're just as human as men are and are just as prone to everything that comes with it.

You're making this world a worse place to live with this kind of sexist and vile misandry.



Women just as evil as men??

Explain this:

www.oneinfourusa.org...


Who are the perpetrators?

- For female rape survivors, 98.1% of the time a man was the perpetrator (Black, Basile, Breiding, Smith, Walters, & Merrick, 2011).

- For male rape survivors, 93% of the time, a man was the perpetrator (Black, Basile, Breiding, Smith, Walters, & Merrick, 2011).

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posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020

originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: johndeere2020

So your gripe is with the Abrahamic religions? You think that without them there would be greater equality for women and world peace?

If so, how does this tie in with your opening post?



Statistically, in the factual and scientific context, man is more evil than woman.

The incarceration rate of men vs women (for breaking the law) is a near consistent 10:1 from 1920s to 2000s in USA alone More than 90% of prison population in USA are men.

In the complete collapse of law and order due to a military invasion for example, women and children are often raped, murdered, and tortured by the invading forces whom are mostly males. Ironically, even some of the conquered civilian males take advantage of the anarchy and turn to raping women and children.

Gnosticism's description of their satan or the chief evil - the Demiurge has a physical description which looks like a sperm cell.

The demiurge fits the description of the Abrahamic god according to the teachings of the said god. And coincidentally, upholds the status of the more evil men over women.

More than half the world population is under the Abrahamic religion. Some of the worst nations in the world which figures badly in human rights are also the most religious with only relatively few exceptions.


Oh yes because Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Idi Amin were all bible thumpers.

Do some research please. Just a little.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: johndeere2020

originally posted by: Prezbo369
Women rape and abuse children too.

Women are not angelic creatures incapable of doing evil, they're just as human as men are and are just as prone to everything that comes with it.

You're making this world a worse place to live with this kind of sexist and vile misandry.



Women just as evil as men??

Explain this:

www.oneinfourusa.org...


Who are the perpetrators?

- For female rape survivors, 98.1% of the time a man was the perpetrator (Black, Basile, Breiding, Smith, Walters, & Merrick, 2011).

- For male rape survivors, 93% of the time, a man was the perpetrator (Black, Basile, Breiding, Smith, Walters, & Merrick, 2011).


Thats very easy, explain to me how a woman rapes a man.
Im not sure if you have had sex before, or have been taught about the birds and the bees, but for a male to penetrate a female it requires "stimulation". Not the easiest thing to achieve under "stressful conditions". Not impossible...just HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

When Ian Watkins was raping babies, what was worse.
Him raping the babies?.
Or the mothers who gave up their OWN BABIES, YES BABIES, for him to have sex with?
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