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originally posted by: stormbringer1701
i think sometimes people make up stuff of this sort just to troll people who actually know physics. other times i think they have just had too much weed or psilocybin. at still other times i think like the HHGTTG that when people do this verbally it is because if they stop talking their heads will implode from vacuum pressure or alternately that their jaws will seize up. there really is a lot of crazy mind (erm...) ejecta here but it also happens in more surprising precincts so it is not entirely due to the venue.
And what Even is gravity? Isn't it obvious that not every element falls to the Earth at the same speed. Even if you Amass huge ammounts of said mass. Some mass will fall slower than other.
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
OMG. thats something the OP could use to understand that gravity and time are not co-identical.
as an aside i think the Giza illustration was in Hawking's "time travel" video.
the time dilation effect of standing next to the pyramid is far less than the gravitational effect of standing next to the pyramid
The gravitational time dilation factor is approximately given by Delta(phi)/c^2, where phi is the Newtonian gravitational potential. For the numbers you gave, this factor is on the order of 10^-12
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If someone proposed that mass and energy had some kind of mathematical relationship, or that gravity and time had some kind of mathematical relationship, neither of which violated dimensional analysis, then both might at least possibly correct. Einstein is credited with both discoveries and they seem to be consistent with observation.
originally posted by: Pirvonen
Mass is not energy, not in everyday world and not by dimensional analysis. However, mass multiplied by a dimensioned constant is energy.
originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: Bedlam
Mass itself is oritented in magnetic forces, The known forces are Positive Negative and Neutral.
We catagorize these particles by their force, Meaning all positive acting particles are magnetic charged to positive and are called protons. And Negative are labeled electrons. Neutral are labeled neutrons. All of these particles attract and repell based on magnetic force.
Gravity is not what hold this mass together.
Gravity is theoretical particle falling the chasm of nothingness raining upon the surface of our planet drawn by our shiny particles.
But somehow, Exerts such a phenomenon as orbital procession. Something seen on a molecular-atomic scale as the orbiting of sub-atomic particles. Following along a magnetic path caught in a spiraling motion to generate the image that is all the matter we see around us. The moon is massive, The Earth is defenantly pumping a strong enough feild for the moon to be caught in it's orbit.
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Arbitrageur
If E=MC2 then mass and energy, are the same things. J
Realize E=mc^2 is not even the correct equation, it's a popular simplification of the correct equation, which applies only to masses which have no momentum.
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Arbitrageur
If E=MC2 then mass and energy, are the same things. Just held in different states. If a mass is accelerated to the speed of light, the energy seemingly is released, from its usually stable state, from when it was in the ambient time field.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
Realize E=mc^2 is not even the correct equation, it's a popular simplification of the correct equation, which applies only to masses which have no momentum.
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Arbitrageur
If E=MC2 then mass and energy, are the same things. Just held in different states. If a mass is accelerated to the speed of light, the energy seemingly is released, from its usually stable state, from when it was in the ambient time field.
Since you are talking about masses with momentum, you can't use E=mc^2 for that, you have to use the correct equation, explained in my thread here, and as you will see, the correct equation which includes momentum is even more complex and does even more to distinguish the difference between mass and energy, reinforcing that they are NOT the same thing:
Is E=mc² right or wrong?
Not even close. You were talking about objects traveling near the speed of light. That's common at CERN's LHC, yet only a fraction of the energy of the protons in the LHC traveling at that speed is in their mass. Mass is not the same as energy.
originally posted by: anonentity
They are good enough for a creative discussion.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
Not even close. You were talking about objects traveling near the speed of light. That's common at CERN's LHC, yet only a fraction of the energy of the protons in the LHC traveling at that speed is in their mass. Mass is not the same as energy.
originally posted by: anonentity
They are good enough for a creative discussion.
Creativity is good if it leads to things that make sense, and maybe not so bad when it leads to ideas that contradict observation, as long as you reject those creative, but wrong, ideas. Creativity by itself doesn't make an idea good.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
Since you are talking about masses with momentum, you can't use E=mc^2 for that, you have to use the correct equation, explained in my thread here, and as you will see, the correct equation which includes momentum is even more complex and does even more to distinguish the difference between mass and energy, reinforcing that they are NOT the same thing:
Is E=mc² right or wrong?
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
the rate of dimples on the surface of an orange are constant therefore dimples are vitamin c.
originally posted by: joelr
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
Since you are talking about masses with momentum, you can't use E=mc^2 for that, you have to use the correct equation, explained in my thread here, and as you will see, the correct equation which includes momentum is even more complex and does even more to distinguish the difference between mass and energy, reinforcing that they are NOT the same thing:
Is E=mc² right or wrong?
I don't know if they cover this in the video but since it's not usually possible to separate the total mc^2 energy into rest energy, kinetic energy, and potential energy, you use the total energy of the particle.
Add a constant - moc^2 to everything so it's either the mass in motion times c^2 or at rest times c^2.
So with velocity (v) and momentum (P):
E^2 - P^2 c^2 = mo(rest mass)^2 c^4
another way to fix Einstein's formula is m has the value:
m = mo/√1-v^2/c^2