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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 03:37 AM
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Time = The convention which stops everything happening at once.

Without it- no observations can be made as we loose all meaningful measurement of cause and effect within our macro reality.

As a conjecture of Quantum Space Theory; if we imagine "Space" itself to be Quantized ( for arguments sake: made up of little bubbles - 1 planck length in diameter- ) is it beyond the realms of possibility that these bubbles resonate as they bounce into each other and that each resonating event transfers information ( position, energy, velocity, current resonating frequency etc etc ) during the collision?

The information transferred when each Bubble collides with its neighbours, in each measured locality, provides us with an averaged out measurement we call "time" as we observe the progression of uncertainty.

Because the "Bubbles" have a maximum limitation of spatial density (i.e the number of bubbles you could physically fit in a defined place at anyone time - again using nature as our intuitive guide) - there are places in space where the bubble density is higher (in matter for example) so this provides less room to resonate ( i.e "time" is slower on Earth/planets than it is in "space").

When maximum spatial density is achieved ( lets say a black hole for arguments sake) the bubbles reach a threshold where no collisions occur and resonant activity stops providing us with a (theoretical) measurement of zero time.

TLDR: No one actually knows but Superfluid Vacuum Theory/Quantised Space is definitely worth a look.





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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 04:21 AM
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a reply to: anonentity

The reason time slows down the closer you get to an event horizon is due to the fact that space itself is rushing inwards towards the speed of light.

You need to read up on General and Special Relativity.

Peace,

Korg.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 04:42 AM
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But lucky for us entropy / chaos causes both gravity and it's other extreme - buoyancy.



a reply to: bobs_uruncle


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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 08:04 AM
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a reply to: anonentity



So someone living on mars, or the moon, where the gravity is a lot less than on earth, would they also find that they would age less?.


They would in relation to other places where the gravity is greater or lesser. That's relativity, not evidence of gravity causing time.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: angus1745
Interesting question.

It might explain the effect that insects seem to be 'time shrunk' ie. for them time goes much slower in which they have ample time to react to and evade attempts to kill them.

Gravity is related to the size of the planet that it eminates from and for species native to that planet it is a constant. prolonged long term exposure to a different gravity might cause the body's physiology to compensate for the difference in overall muscle use and energy consumption by basically wearing out less quickly than a body in it's normal gravity would.

Similar to the insect time shrink phenomenon human beings might age significantly slower after generations of living on a much larger planet than earth but those on smaller than the earth planets would be effectively 'time shrunk' with no loss of life expectancy, they would be beings of great height and incredible speed and agility with insect like reactions and calculative abilities similar in speed to machines. however.

The ones on the larger planets would be able to not only outlive them but snap them like twigs.

So we have that to look forward to.



Insects have faster reactions because they have far simpler neural circuitry. They work using the principle of "optic flow" or visual motion. Different types of motion cause the image of what they see to either rotate, shrink or enlarge around one point. These changes are identified and then immediately generate a response sent to the flight muscles.

Time is simply a measure of how fast chemical reactions and atomic interactions are occurring. Being in area of strong gravity or traveling close to the speed of light slows these interactions down. Gravity and mass are propertional to the number of protons and neutrons each atom has.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 08:52 AM
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I Already explained Gravity is nonexistant.

Gravity is not what Tugs planets around in orbits.

Gravity is not what allows sub atomic particles to orbit, Ossilation only ever happens when there is force pushing something in a given direction.

And force dosn`t magically apply itself simply based on *Existance*

This makes absolutely no sense. There is either local activity, Caused by magntism- Which Foundation of all Charged particles. Without Magnitism, Electricity would not exist.

This is a solid fact. We don`t Create electro-magnetic feilds with gravity that have the ability to warp matter.

Matter is warpped by The forces of magnitism.

It`s not really that hard to Understand. Even Dirt is magnetic, Every single thing on this planet can be magnetically charged.

Magnetic force exists. Gravity is a made up concept that borrows from magnetic force in order to seem like it exists.


The 2 are interchangable. Think about it. You can`t think of one instance where gravity is used yet magnetism is left out.
The only purpose gravity serves is to solidfy a broken theory such as the theory of Relativity and big bang enthusiaist who cling onto formulas that conjure paradoxs.


And what Even is gravity? Isn't it obvious that not every element falls to the Earth at the same speed. Even if you Amass huge ammounts of said mass. Some mass will fall slower than other. Well other mass is virtually *Weightless* Hydrogren for example.

It's not like just because you clump up a bunch of hydrogen it's gunna just assume some magical property that will make it heavier than Lead.

It's honestly all based on magnetic pull. Some particles Weigh more because they carry more electrons and protons in it's shells.
But Again, The more mass you add, the more magnetic force will be introduced into the compound. So even if you wanted to seperate the differences of magnetism vs gravity.

Where would such a gravity particle come from? If gravity is falling towards the Earth, What is sending said gravity?

Remeber gravity is suposedly a particle.

So in their theory. Particles are bombing the surface of the planet sandwhiching the planet towards it's center. Because mass is present and attracts gravity.

Pretty sure Gravity isn't real and it's just the huge sums of mass which is Earth. And the combined electro-magnetic force being generated by this mass, Since Attraction is stronger than repulsion. Mass is drawn towards the Earths center. Where the most mass and magnetic force is.


Is it just a coincidence that the planet resonates magnetic frequencies from it's core that even allow our atmosphere to even be possible? Probably not. And i can garentee you gravity has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:21 AM
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You want further proof? Look at how far the Suns magnetic ring goes and you will see it corisponds to the orbits of the planets.

All the planets sit within the Sun's magnetic influence.



How is this not elementry knowledge? Oh wait. because people who push the big bang have an Agenda.

Can't have a Universe that runs of magnetic force. That would make things to easy.
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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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Even in the absence of gravity, particles would undergo entropy and eventually decay.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:24 AM
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Not only does gravity affect time, but so does traveling at the speed of light. How does that also factor into the gravity part of the equation?



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: anonentity

Yes, it is a stupid theory on one level - then again - gravity hasn't been pinned down as yet.

And it's a theory I've had before, mentioned it a few times on ATS if I recall (here's one www.abovetopsecret.com... ) , and a long discussion on a talk page on another site. A stupid theory? maybe, but there exists something about the theory that contains beauty.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: AnuTyr
There`s no such thing as gravity.


Amazingly, we have the ability to measure magnetic fields, and we know a whole bunch about the forces that they can exert. And they don't have anything to do with keeping planets in orbit.

I'm afraid you're about 500 years behind on the power curve on physics.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: iDope
a reply to: anonentity

You make a great point. But one question I ask to everyone, why is it that during a "crisis" or "harmful" event, time seems to slow down, as if allowing your brain or conciousness to absorb all incoming data as imminent value as compared to jsut walking down the street?


It has to do with several things, and the biggest is that your mind measures your personal time flow by how much data you're collecting. The more information you're processing, the slower it seems to go.

That's why when you are looking for a place, it seems to take a long time going there, but when you miss it and double back, it doesn't seem as if you went nearly as far.

Disney uses this to great advantage to make rides seem longer, they pre-bore you with lines and keep you from seeing what's about to happen so that when you finally DO get on the ride, your head switches from boring-line-standing to exciting-new-experience and the time on the ride stretches out, because you're encoding a pile of new experience. If you could SEE the ride and SEE what other people were doing before you got there, you wouldn't store nearly as much during the ride.

Falling off of something doesn't make time change in an objective sense.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: CJCrawley

It appears that time cannot exist without gravity...


Why? What makes you think this is true?



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: AthlonSavage
a reply to: anonentity

What caused that?


Confirmation bias. You expect escalators to be moving. Therefore, you tend to misperceive that they are.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: Bedlam

Then how are exo-planets able to rebound? Magnetic force is linar and demishes slowly until the feild is completely broken. Where there is a strong magnetic force presence. *Gravity* will be there. That is why voyager is caught inbetween Interstellar space and our heloshealth. Constantly bouncing in and out. That is how they were able to map the magnetic feild of our solar system.

Magnitism also has a rotational property. How does magnetism counter Gravity? Is gravity * To weak* to counter charging alignment? You know that magnetic force is based on masses oritentation. What direction it is pointing and channeling energy. So the sun itself is spinning, And as the sun is spinning. Which maintains a constantly speed because the magnetic heartpeak is what is sustaining it's velocity. The same our our planet spins based on our magnetic feild.
image.gsfc.nasa.gov...



Is there a relationship between Earth's rotation and its magnetic field? Yes, according to the Parker Dynamo Model developed in the 1960's. Magnetic fields are generated by circulating currents of charged particles in a medium that is electrically-conducting. The sun represents a rotating gaseous body of high-temperature plasma with one type of conductivity. The Earth rotates much faster, and the liquid iron-nickel in its core has another conductivity. Jupiter rotates even faster and has yet another type of conductive core region. Parker described how the fields are generated, and derived a simple formula that describes the strength of the field AND how rapidly the field would reverse its polarity. For the sun, with some reasonable estimates for its conductivity and rotation speed, you get a polarity reversal time of about 20-50 years. For the earth, this number is between 200,000 and 500,000 years. In each case, the reversal period estimate matches pretty nearly what is actually determined from the sun spot record and from studies of terrestrial paleomagnetism. There are, however, some detailed problems with Parker's model for solar activity, but it is still the simplest one we have to go with for purposes of classroom instruction.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: AnuTyr
I Already explained Gravity is nonexistant.

Gravity is not what Tugs planets around in orbits.


And you explained wrong.



Gravity is not what allows sub atomic particles to orbit


No, that would be an electric field.



And force dosn`t magically apply itself simply based on *Existance*


No, it magically applies itself simply based on mass. Some things exist and have no mass. But they have stress-energy tensors so they get to join in the gravity fun, too!



This makes absolutely no sense. There is either local activity, Caused by magntism- Which Foundation of all Charged particles. Without Magnitism, Electricity would not exist.


You're confusing electric and magnetic fields, and gravity. They are not the same.



It`s not really that hard to Understand. Even Dirt is magnetic, Every single thing on this planet can be magnetically charged.


Unless you're postulating monopoles, there IS no magnetic charge, per se.



Magnetic force exists. Gravity is a made up concept that borrows from magnetic force in order to seem like it exists.


Hey! You're finally 1 for 2 here. Yes, magnetic force exists. And it's different that that caused by electric charge or gravity.



The 2 are interchangable. Think about it. You can`t think of one instance where gravity is used yet magnetism is left out.


Sure I can. You don't see H or B in gm1m2/r^2, do you? I don't.



Is it just a coincidence that the planet resonates magnetic frequencies from it's core that even allow our atmosphere to even be possible? Probably not. And i can garentee you gravity has absolutely nothing to do with it.


I just KNEW resonance and frequencies would get in here somewhere.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: Bedlam

Mass itself is oritented in magnetic forces, The known forces are Positive Negative and Neutral.

We catagorize these particles by their force, Meaning all positive acting particles are magnetic charged to positive and are called protons. And Negative are labeled electrons. Neutral are labeled neutrons. All of these particles attract and repell based on magnetic force.

Gravity is not what hold this mass together.

Gravity is theoretical particle falling the chasm of nothingness raining upon the surface of our planet drawn by our shiny particles.

But somehow, Exerts such a phenomenon as orbital procession. Something seen on a molecular-atomic scale as the orbiting of sub-atomic particles. Following along a magnetic path caught in a spiraling motion to generate the image that is all the matter we see around us. The moon is massive, The Earth is defenantly pumping a strong enough feild for the moon to be caught in it's orbit.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: anonentity

Time is order.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: Bedlam

Then how are exo-planets able to rebound?


Have you been bouncing exo-planets again?



Magnetic force is linar and demishes slowly until the feild is completely broken.


Um, no, not at all. Magnetic flux density falls as the square of the distance, power density falls as the sixth power of the distance. I can't think of a single property of magnetism that is linear, because it's a dipole. Now, if you have monopoles, you get linear relationships, but no-one's ever seen one.



Where there is a strong magnetic force presence. *Gravity* will be there.


That's because you're defining a tautology in a way. First, you have to understand that "strong" is most definitely a misnomer for the field you've got at the edge of the heliosheath, which is something like 0.01 nT. The magnetic field of a refrigerator magnet at its surface is maybe 500 million times stronger. Next, wherever you are, there are always gravitic fields and magnetic fields and electric fields. Because somewhere within your observable universe, something has a charge, a magnetic field, and mass. That doesn't mean they are related. Just that they're all there.

What you're saying, at least the way you're saying it is akin to saying, wherever there's a red car, there's air. That's true, but it's not correlative.



That is why voyager is caught inbetween Interstellar space and our heloshealth. Constantly bouncing in and out. That is how they were able to map the magnetic feild of our solar system.


You use "why" in really odd ways. No, it's not "caught". It's going in and out of the fringe of the heliosheath, because the heliosheath is raggedy and dynamic, and not a smooth static border.



Magnitism also has a rotational property.


Whatever you mean by that, exactly.



How does magnetism counter Gravity? Is gravity * To weak* to counter charging alignment? You know that magnetic force is based on masses oritentation. What direction it is pointing and channeling energy. So the sun itself is spinning, And as the sun is spinning. Which maintains a constantly speed because the magnetic heartpeak is what is sustaining it's velocity.


There's so much oddball confusion there I'll address one part - the Sun IS spinning. You're right! But its magnetic field is not making it spin. It's spinning because of conservation of angular momentum, and the first law of motion. Why would it slow down? There is just a HUGE amount of energy involved in that spin, and there's nothing that would reduce that by any measure you'd be able to see. Things that are spinning in space don't just run down and stop unless they're being acted on tidally. Even then you don't lose the angular momentum, it just goes elsewhere in the co-orbiting relationship.

The relationship is backward, the Earth and probably the Sun's magnetic fields are created by the spin. Not the other way around.

Which your link actually explained, but you weren't reading for content. Keyword searches are not your friend, if Mr Actually Reading What It Says is on vacation.
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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: AnuTyr
a reply to: Bedlam

Mass itself is oritented in magnetic forces, The known forces are Positive Negative and Neutral.


You're again confusing electric and magnetic fields, and adding in "neutral". For some reason.



We catagorize these particles by their force, Meaning all positive acting particles are magnetic charged to positive and are called protons. And Negative are labeled electrons. Neutral are labeled neutrons. All of these particles attract and repell based on magnetic force.


And here you again demonstrate that you don't understand electric and magnetic fields. Neutrons don't emit neutrality. They just have no net electric charge.



Gravity is not what hold this mass together.


No, atoms are held together by strong force, weak force and electric charge. Gravity is there, but it's a very weak force, especially at those scales.



Gravity is theoretical particle falling the chasm of nothingness raining upon the surface of our planet drawn by our shiny particles.


No.



But somehow, Exerts such a phenomenon as orbital procession.


I don't think you actually understand the term "precession", which has to do with the dynamics of a rotating body. You haven't made it up to "electric charge" yet, better leave Euler angles alone for now.



Something seen on a molecular-atomic scale as the orbiting of sub-atomic particles. Following along a magnetic path caught in a spiraling motion to generate the image that is all the matter we see around us.


I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but electrons don't actually orbit nuclei like old 60's science fiction movies show. They have orbitals, but not orbits. There is a very big difference.




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