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What Colorado "looks like" after one year of "legal pot"

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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 04:39 AM
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I do not understand why people are so hard on this subject, it is a fact that tobacco and alcohol are a million times worse for you body and mind than Cannabis is.

And yet people seem to think or post their opinion that "NO marijuana is the MOST dangerous thing that can happen to society" Seriously??? have you not learned from history, if you choose to do something to your body that might be harmful only to YOU than why does anyone else give a damn.

Its like alcohol or cigarettes, which is 1000% worse for you than weed, but yet you can buy them as long as you got the money and are old enough. So I dont understand what the problem is, are you brainwashed to believe that marijuana or as is should be called Cannabis is worse than lets say prescription drugs which have actually killed people do to abuse?




posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 04:41 AM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

People have always smoked pot its just legal so I would guesa the impact will be minute.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: RufNUsd
As an oilfield worker of more than a decade, who does this law benefit?

My opinion.....the unemployed.

Those working under the radar.

Folks not contributing to society.

I pay $50k a year (blood money) in taxes to support my family of 5. I cannot smoke marijuana as I will endanger others lives. We are random tested for such. Please tell me why this is a good idea to legalize MJ?!?

I vacationed in Boulder, CO during Christmas 2014. A foot of snow on said day. During my visit, not a decent conversation was held with locals. While walking The Pearl Street Mall District I was in a rush to go South. The lack of intellect is frightening. I've never seen so many people on corners asking for a hand out.....NEVER after hitting every of our inboard 48.

Watching a couple take a rip in the car before entering Subway was hilarious. Their dog being smoked out in the car with them was equally funny yet sad.

Idiocracy is only moments away.

Cheers, Rufnusd


Ok, so you work on an oil rig and it would inevitably be either A: Launched into orbit, or B: Somehow detonate the earths core and destroy all life if you so much as smelled marijuana smoke on your day off. Lucky for most of us our lives aren't so inherently dangerous. Thank you for your service.

I hate to break it to you but next time you go to work look around you, and recognize that if you have 8 people working there with you at least 3 of them are dirty for marijuana and probably have been since you've known them and will be for the rest of their lives. People who regularly smoke marijuana also regularly pass drug tests even if you shout "Surprise!" first, especially if they make the kind of money you're talking about.

HERE IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR ! Tell you why is it a good idea to legalize MJ? Yes sir. Because i live in a place that likes to be called "THE LAND OF THE FREE" and I'm sick of it being a hypocritical bs slogan, it's time we started living up to it. MJ is just a start. It's not harmful, it's actually arguably helpful to people, and has never been proven to have any long term side effects.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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I actually wrote a paper about legalization not long ago, and during my research i found the argument they use a lot "There's not enough research done on Marijuana to know how dangerous it is" to be a complete load of #. There's only a few drugs that have had more peer reviewed scientific research done on them and it's the old big names like Penicilin, even things like Vicodin or Viagra were had many times more studies done to them. IIRC i looked specifically at Vicodin, Viagra, and .. something else there were 3 of them and all 3 were big name drugs and all 3 combined didnt have anywhere near the amount of research done on them. Like all 3 combined still didnt even have half the amount of studies done to them.

Also in this paper, made sure to note that ALL outspoken politicians against marijuana are somehow connected to big pharma. Hell, Patrick Kennedy has been on a crusade against MJ and he's been to rehab for opiate abuse. Also, he was guest speaker at a big anti-pot rally a couple of years back and he was paid and the entire thing funded by the same pharmaceutical company (and a couple of others with it) that makes vicodin. The same type of stuff captain courageous had to go to rehab for. It was like a #ing circus.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 01:30 PM
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This industry is already over regulated and taxed! We were told it would be like alcohol... The state didn't generate the revenue they thought they would from the incredibly high sales+state tax of 25-30% on recreational sales in 2014. So now they are looking to impose more taxes and regulations on the medical side. All this high sales tax on the recreational side does is drive more Colorado residents to get their medical card and pay around 7.25% tax vs 25-30%.

In Colorado, Legal Pot Fails to Meet Predictions of Supporters, Critics.


I'm all for generating revenue for the state but at what cost? They tax both sides to death and they will create the worlds biggest marijuana black market! The federal government isn't even involved yet!!! Not even going to mention packaging and labeling issues. All the legitimate growers and sellers will take their knowledge, experience, people, and equipment underground to avoid all the hassle that comes from dealing with the state and the FED. They are bleeding their cash cow like a bunch of vampires. Yet they fail to realize this is a product that almost anyone can grow... They don't call it weed for nothing!



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: mOjOm


Ok, so what's next on our list???


The rest of the drug war.

And prostitution.


Allow me to be the first to say "no." This is exactly the last thing anyone who supports decriminalization of MJ should be advocating at this time. One of the most listened to, most impactful arguments supporting the new decriminalization laws focused on weed's impact on health and society and the rational argument that the health impact was less than that of tobacco while the societal impacts were less than those of alcohol. Those arguments CANNOT be rationally made about hard drugs or prostitution.

If you want to force the majority of non-pot users who support the push for decriminalization to do an about face and demand a full return to prohibition, raising the "OK, now we need to legalize all vices" argument is a great first step. There is logic behind the legal banning of some substances and some activities... as the manufacture, use, and practice of these does not constitute "victimless" activity.



Errr...yes, sitting in my home doing ANY DRUG WHATSOEVER is victimless. The argument for legalizing weed is different from the argument from legalizing all substances. With weed it is incredibly obvious and in-your-face that it should be legal. It can't possibly kill you, there are almost no health risks involved, and we have a number of things which are much worse for you that you can legally use, most notably alcohol and cigarettes. So, you really don't even need to do that much critical thinking to realize weed should be legal...it's pretty obvious at this point.

When you start talking about legalizing all substances, and really all victimless crime, a higher level of critical thinking is needed. More than the great majority are willing to do, in my experience. So you can accept the argument's for legalizing weed, cuz it's obviously not even really bad. But then you start talking about legalizing all of it, and people say 'but there are other drugs that are bad!' Well, let's get a few things straight here. First of all, I don't care if something is bad for people. It is not the proper function of government to determine what is 'bad' and then outlaw people from doing it. There's all sorts of common behaviors people engage in that are bad, that noone would ever accept being outlawed. If you go over the state-defined fast-food limit, you go to jail! If you don't get a certain number of hours of exercise in a week, you go to jail. On and on. People are free to make decisions that may be bad. That is not the place of law.

But it's about more than drugs. It's a principle. The principle is that all victimless crime is illegitimate. The ONLY legitimate function of law, is preventing people from harming each other. There must be a victim for there to be a crime. The law has no place in regulating people's personal decisions, so long as those decisions are not directly harming against someone else. And the real kicker here, is that PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK. Virtually EVERY negative thing that you can associate with drug use, as justification for it being illegal, IS MADE WORSE BY IT BEING ILLEGAL. This is why those who support prohibition are unbelievably unpragmatic.
"Drugs need to be illegal...cuz otherwise kids can get it." Well, kids get illegal drugs easier than legal ones...it is more difficult for an underage person right now to get alcohol than an illegal drug, because you literally need to find someone 21 or older to get alcohol for you...stores ID, drug dealers do not.
"Drugs need to be illegal...cuz look at the violent drug gangs!" Violent drug gangs only exist because drugs are illegal. There has always existed a strong demand among humans to alter consciousness...when you push that market underground, turning it into a black market, seedy elements inevitably appear. Violence gets involved. Just look at the damage being done by the mexican alcohol cartels...oh wait, noone buys alcohol from the cartels...cuz they can get it at stores...people only buy from dangerous gangs when there is not a safe, legal alternative.
"Drugs need to be illegal...they sometimes kill people!" With a very high percentage of drug overdoses and deaths, the substance was impure, or something altogether different. This is due to the utter lack of regulation inherent in a black market. Noone goes to the store to buy a beer, drinks it, has it turn out to be something completely different, then dies. Because it's regulated. This is the typical way people die from drugs. Impure substances or wrong substances, and this would be completely eradicated through legalization.

Legalization improves virtually every negative associated with drugs...there is no logic to prohibition. That's why prohibitionist always use sensationalist stories to pull on the irrational heart-strings of unthinking individuals. Logic and pragmatism have no place among prohibitionists.

Also, one more thing needs to be sad. There are some drugs, beyond cannabis, that people act like are very bad for you, that are actually not bad for you at all...weed is now becoming more accepted among the public, it doesn't provoke fear as much, and that is great. But there are other illegal drugs that also do not harm you. Particularly the, let's say visionary, ones. So, certain drugs should be legal on the basis of a lack of harm which can be demonstrated, as well as potential benefits. And that is one thing. And cannabis is the start there, and once that settles in there will be more substances the same arguments can be made for. But there is an argument which goes beyond whether an individual substance is benign or not. And that is individual freedom, the illegitimacy of victimless crime, and the clear pitfalls of prohibition which would be solved through legalization. And this is not some little unimportant fringe issue...the majority of our prisons are filled with people charged with drug-crimes! This is really a moral wrong...we need to do something about this, and start closing down prisons rather than building new ones.
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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My take...... the rally cry of 'make it legal and tax the jebus out of it' got their foot in the door. But extreme taxation would decidedly influence the propensity of people to source from the black market instead. Also a flooded market would never sustain such high prices. I'v heard numbers like $28 a gram for buds. That works out to $9,480 a pound...... and those are ridiculous prices that only lure single gram purchases. Kind bud typically goes for 2.5 - 3 K. Thus I doubt with the current pricing, it will slowly fail. Or rather prices will fall dramatically. Commercial pot is definitely a slippery slope with far too much greed and people thinking they will get rich quick.

Pot is not going to make people Successes any more than alcohol. It impairs for pleasure, plain and simple.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: Plotus
Pot is not going to make people Successes any more than alcohol. It impairs for pleasure, plain and simple.


Spoken like someone who doesn't really know what they're talking about


Calling the effects of cannabis 'impairment,' as if comparable to alcohol, is ridiculous...you use the one for certain effects, and avoid the alcohol unless you don't care about being impaired at that time. Alcohol makes my mind slow and fuzzy, not something that occurs with the other.
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Well stated.


However , from a psychological perspective if the age gate is controlled there shouldn't be any issues - or at least no more than there are now.

For those who aren't aware there is a critical developmental age where smoking cannabis will have a profound effect on the development of a juvenile brain.

What this movement is aiming to do is drive cannabis out from the underground and put it in front of peoples faces. This is much like the old United Kingdom Gin ban - sure they banned Gin , but did it stop people drinking? No. They drove it underground, where the industry became dangerous as there were no laws or legislation to follow.

Sure there will always be the 1% who might want to grow their own and try and sell it , but give people a safer alternative that is reputable and controlled - where people know they are getting what they pay for and hey presto!

All of a sudden that juvenile developmental phase is significantly reduced due to less unlawful supply. This however will not stop youths getting hold of cannabis - as with under-age drinking However this does mean the number of adolescents exposed is reduced, bringing cannabis one step closer to being as much of a consumable as is alcohol.

Do people out there agree or disagree with my statement? Would be interesting to hear an opposed view point and debate



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 05:57 PM
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At the end of the day - if the feds don't declassify it regardless of what states choose to do - it's all BS noise, isn't it?



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 08:47 PM
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The result will be even more mindless, easily controlled imbeciles. As well as even more Tax revenue for the same controllers who rule over the same imbeciles who always assist in locking their own chains around themselves. It's really sad and pathetic to watch people continue to enslave themselves. Unfortunately the herds continue to confuse the word freedom, with the word slavery as usual. ~$heopleNation



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: stirling



Sanity 1, Fear 0.

Ok, so what's next on our list???


Does pot alter your thinking? I know alcohol does. I'll create a ad campaign. Smoke responsibly. I might as well market to them and capitalize on the trends. Wanna buy some ganja gummies? They hit the spot when you're high. Someone already beat me on the E-Joint.

I don't know how you can think you won anything really. You see the prices? The guy down the street here where's it's still illegal is selling for a whole lot less. Someone who markets to the gullible is going to make a killing. That's your next step. Either take advantage or protest the prices.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: TheJourney

originally posted by: Plotus
Pot is not going to make people Successes any more than alcohol. It impairs for pleasure, plain and simple.


Spoken like someone who doesn't really know what they're talking about


Calling the effects of cannabis 'impairment,' as if comparable to alcohol, is ridiculous...you use the one for certain effects, and avoid the alcohol unless you don't care about being impaired at that time. Alcohol makes my mind slow and fuzzy, not something that occurs with the other.
Ok old sage, we'll go with what you say. You clearly smoke, know All the secrets of the universe and are keen to tell everyone till you space, and in a moment continue with your oratory.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA

Does pot alter your thinking? I know alcohol does. I'll create a ad campaign. Smoke responsibly. I might as well market to them and capitalize on the trends. Wanna buy some ganja gummies? They hit the spot when you're high. Someone already beat me on the E-Joint.

I don't know how you can think you won anything really. You see the prices? The guy down the street here where's it's still illegal is selling for a whole lot less. Someone who markets to the gullible is going to make a killing. That's your next step. Either take advantage or protest the prices.


Of course it does. At least it does when you're high. It's altered in different ways too. I've experienced both good and bad head changes and everything in between. But nothing that wasn't fully gone once sober and usually well before that. Comparing to alcohol I'd say the difference is that, for me atleast, drunk is the same kind of change every time only different magnitudes depending upon how much I drink. MJ head change can be very different and could be caused by various reasons so it's difficult to know before you get there. That's for the occasional user. If you're a regular it becomes familiar like anything else. On the other hand however drinking is much more dangerous in that you can become completely out of control and/or kill yourself or someone else without any awareness but it would be almost impossible or impossible to do so with MJ.

As for winning something it has nothing to do with the market of MJ or anything like that. It has more to do with the absurd politics and BS that surround not just MJ but the whole drug scene. The legality of it all and the hypocrisy and everything else too. It's just outdated, ignorant and needs to be addressed like thinking adults living in the modern age rather than a bunch of scared simple minded creatures who are treated like children who can't be responsible for themselves while being sold some myth about freedom and liberty. It's just silly.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 04:32 AM
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Remember that hundreds of thousands people said that this place would basicaly be a "hell on earth" because of the M legalization.
I beg the differ...

On the positive hand: a pasient in Norway was the first person in the world to be legaly given medicinal cannabis a coupe of days ago! If anyone know how to read norwegian, give me a heads-up And ill find a link!

Peace!



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 08:11 AM
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I figured things wouldn't be much different after. I'm sure some teenagers out there took advantage of it for a bit. But the thrill will probably go away after awhile. Once the dust settles is when you have to look the closest. It still needs time.

But it's in the right direction. And I will agree that we should make a push in other states, and it would be best just to decriminalize pretty much any other illegal drug. Maybe not legalize them totally though. But we surely need to come up with more reasonable penalties and treatments at least. This whole 'lock um all up' thing just isn't a very bright idea.



posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 11:02 PM
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originally posted by: dezertdog

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: mOjOm


Ok, so what's next on our list???


The rest of the drug war.

And prostitution.


Allow me to be the first to say "no." This is exactly the last thing anyone who supports decriminalization of MJ should be advocating at this time. One of the most listened to, most impactful arguments supporting the new decriminalization laws focused on weed's impact on health and society and the rational argument that the health impact was less than that of tobacco while the societal impacts were less than those of alcohol. Those arguments CANNOT be rationally made about hard drugs or prostitution.

If you want to force the majority of non-pot users who support the push for decriminalization to do an about face and demand a full return to prohibition, raising the "OK, now we need to legalize all vices" argument is a great first step. There is logic behind the legal banning of some substances and some activities... as the manufacture, use, and practice of these does not constitute "victimless" activity.



Portugal is doing just fine after full legalization.

What needs to be illegal is legislating morality!

Can I get an amen!


Full legalization? Wheres that Portugal? The one next to Spain only has decriminalization when you're caught with small amounts which are deemed for personal use, however cannabis for recreational use its illegal and if you're caught with a gram above 25g of the grass, you're going to jail, face trial pay a nice fine and if you're unlucky you'll be facing confiscation of assets, bans of travel, bans of association with certain people, prohibition of going to certain public places, welfare... you know... you just cant carry 3 freakin kilos of the stuff and go to a cop and say "sorry officer can you hold this for me while I tie my shoe please?" - but that isnt related to the grass alone... you can also be caught with 2g of snow or 1g of heroin and its alright... does it mean it has gone full legal? No... Portugal didnt go Full Legal... Never go Full retard.

Full legalization? Not even in holland... and they had issues years later. You cant evaluate something months or a year after - let it go like 10 years then we'll see.

And btw... you know that program also included state-sponsored support for drug addicts by giving them FREE substitutes for their drugs, like methadone and the likes in the most problematic neighborhoods... which they used to get FREE methadone and kept using their drugs also - and btw you know how much that crap COSTS and how much strain it puts on a system already on a verge of collapse? Then the government taxes hard working citizens and cuts expenses when they should put an end to projects like that one for instance where 1) is useless 2) 90% of the people who benefit from it are low lifes taking advantage of the system.

I think Portugal has bigger problems than to worry with a bunch of pot headed kids or 80 pounds human pin-cushions to be honest...

Now prostitution should be legal of course - Now that you mentioned Portugal, in the so called "harsh times of the infamous dictatorship" strangely enough prostitution was legal, mainly to avoid diseases and bring in some extra money to the state coffers because not only they had sort of a "health and sanitation" card and had to present themselves periodically to medical examinations but they were also taxed. Which are both great ideas, since well... you cant really stop prostitution, might as well control it, and while were at it, tax it.
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posted on Jan, 22 2015 @ 11:35 PM
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originally posted by: Honcho
I'm sure some teenagers out there took advantage of it for a bit.

How? They still can't legally buy it, so they just have to find some person to buy it from. And considering the extremely high taxes put on it, I'm sure it is cheaper for them to just continue buying from the person they currently buy from. I mean, weed-smoking teens were already smoking weed...had to buy from 'some guy'...and will still have to have to buy from 'some guy' until they turn 21.
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posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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Just a lil personal story, to those who think making it illegal makes it somehow impossible for kids to find.

When i was in the 6th grade, a kid in my class approached me about helping him sell marijuana. I was 12 years old and another 12 year old had in his bag and was ready to give me, without giving him any money, roughly 600 dollars (2 ounces) worth of marijuana. I did not do it. That was the first time i was ever approached about selling it, i had kids try to get me to smoke it as early as the 4th grade. I was never offered alcohol until like 9th grade.

Illegal substances, in my experience, are FAR more easily obtained by children than alcohol. It's not even close.

Illegal is not the same as imaginary. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't exist.



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 12:09 AM
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originally posted by: Bundy
Just a lil personal story, to those who think making it illegal makes it somehow impossible for kids to find.

When i was in the 6th grade, a kid in my class approached me about helping him sell marijuana. I was 12 years old and another 12 year old had in his bag and was ready to give me, without giving him any money, roughly 600 dollars (2 ounces) worth of marijuana. I did not do it. That was the first time i was ever approached about selling it, i had kids try to get me to smoke it as early as the 4th grade. I was never offered alcohol until like 9th grade.

Illegal substances, in my experience, are FAR more easily obtained by children than alcohol. It's not even close.

Illegal is not the same as imaginary. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


How people don't understand this is beyond me. It seems so obvious, stores ID dealers don't, and anyone who has lived in a regular environment should just pretty much know from experience, with their peers at least if not them, that for the most part illegal drugs are harder to get for the underage than legal ones that are sold in stores.
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