The "Phoenix Lights" craft was a TR6 TELOS?

originally posted by: TrueMessiah
a reply to: draknoir2

I guess you could say that. Thanks Phill for bringing things like this to the forefront.

I could... but I wouldn't.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

I find this very interesting, but do have some doubts though, if this really was the TR-6 then by now the cat would be out of the bag, other reports would be in as this happened 17 years ago!!, so its either the best kept secret..... ever. or its a fake (sorry)

on a side note, the light don't match up correctly, reports said the lights were not in a shape, but more fluid in movement, plus a lot bigger than this ship,



Good find though

originally posted by: _BoneZ_
a reply to: Bloodydagger

There was no single large craft. I'll be making a thread later this week laying to rest the Phoenix Lights incident once and for all.

this intrigues me!

the Phoenix lights are/were some of the best documented UFO's captured on film, from thousands of people, i look forward to your explanation

a reply to: Bloodydagger

I see you have the supposed size of this craft...



Where exactly do they park this craft, as it is more than a quarter of a mile wide?

It's not like you can just park it anywhere.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

While I tend to agree with you, I'm afraid you didn't get the memo.

One can't bring up the possiblity of the TR3-B "Anything" on ATS without having the thread spammed by the "There's no such thing as a TR3B "Anything".

Actually, their denial campaign is pretty much working. I no longer read TR3B threads in hopes of learning something new because no sooner do they pop up then they are spammed into oblivion. Its actually gotten so bad that I've begun to wonder if perhaps its not a case that someone doth protest too much.

So much for open minds and curiousity.

originally posted by: _BoneZ_
a reply to: Bloodydagger

There was no single large craft. I'll be making a thread later this week laying to rest the Phoenix Lights incident once and for all.

It better not involve flares. You will be wrong.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Bloodydagger

While I tend to agree with you, I'm afraid you didn't get the memo.

One can't bring up the possiblity of the TR3-B "Anything" on ATS without having the thread spammed by the "There's no such thing as a TR3B "Anything".

Actually, their denial campaign is pretty much working. I no longer read TR3B threads in hopes of learning something new because no sooner do they pop up then they are spammed into oblivion. Its actually gotten so bad that I've begun to wonder if perhaps its not a case that someone doth protest too much.

So much for open minds and curiousity.

One cannot bring up a triangular UFO without the thread being spammed with "It's obviously the top-secret TR3-B that everyone knows about in exquisite detail".

originally posted by: groingrinder

originally posted by: _BoneZ_
a reply to: Bloodydagger

There was no single large craft. I'll be making a thread later this week laying to rest the Phoenix Lights incident once and for all.

It better not involve flares. You will be wrong.

Not completely.


Likely flares AND an unconventional craft...

a reply to: TonyS

Then maybe you can explain how a black project has every tiny detail leaked online and the DIA does nothing, while white papers that don't mention specific projects are purged from the net with extreme prejudice.

originally posted by: draknoir2
I find it amusing how some are so casual and matter-of-fact in their use of mythological black projects built with mythological technology as the most reasonable explanations for UFO sightings.

The TR6 utilizes five electrogravitic generators for propulsion and is considered a “VTOL” craft not needing a runway.

Electrogravitic generator? Sez so on "Agent D" and "Agent K's" blog, so it must be a real thing.

A simple google search gave me a few links including this one.

It states that the term was in widespread use in 1956. NINETEEN FIFTY SIX!!!

Does anybody use google?
I thought we were supposed to be researchers?

The whole damn problem with the truth community is the failure to check facts.
It would seem the debunking community has the same problem.

Apparently Nikola Tesla was the first to propose Electrogravitic generators.

Is there anything that guy didnt invent?
That was a joke question.

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: groingrinder

originally posted by: _BoneZ_
a reply to: Bloodydagger

There was no single large craft. I'll be making a thread later this week laying to rest the Phoenix Lights incident once and for all.

It better not involve flares. You will be wrong.

Not completely.


Likely flares AND an unconventional craft...

Likely?
As in you havent got a bloody clue and are guessing like everyone else.

I was under the impression that the flares were let off as a cover story and the times didnt match at all.
I may be mistaken, its been a long time since I looked into the Phoenix Lights.

My opinion, human top secret craft. Its the only thing that makes sense.

originally posted by: Paperjacket
Considering the claimed massive size of the Phoenix Lights object, is there any possibility that it is not AN object but objects?

I also doubt that USAF possesses any craft with that size. Airbus 380 can not take off from many runways due to the width of the runways. I don't think there is a runway allowing any craft of that massive size to take off.

I think he mentioned it being a VTOL craft. Vertical take off and landing.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Well a macintosh laptop can be used to
connect to a wireless alien network,
hack past all their security, override
docking protocols, override ship
operations and send inflammatory
death threats to non-humanoid
aliens in under 5 minutes -

so don't sell the human race short
buddy!

("Independence Day")

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Zaphod58

Well a macintosh laptop can be used to
connect to a wireless alien network,
hack past all their security, override
docking protocols, override ship
operations and send inflammatory
death threats to non-humanoid
aliens in under 5 minutes -

so don't sell the human race short
buddy!

("Independence Day")

LMAO, I chucked anyway.

We can solve any mystery, all we do is get CSI involved and all the clues will nicely and conveniently fit into an hour timeslot, case solved.

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: draknoir2
I find it amusing how some are so casual and matter-of-fact in their use of mythological black projects built with mythological technology as the most reasonable explanations for UFO sightings.

The TR6 utilizes five electrogravitic generators for propulsion and is considered a “VTOL” craft not needing a runway.

Electrogravitic generator? Sez so on "Agent D" and "Agent K's" blog, so it must be a real thing.

A simple google search gave me a few links including this one.

It states that the term was in widespread use in 1956. NINETEEN FIFTY SIX!!!

Does anybody use google?
I thought we were supposed to be researchers?

The whole damn problem with the truth community is the failure to check facts.
It would seem the debunking community has the same problem.

Apparently Nikola Tesla was the first to propose Electrogravitic generators.

Is there anything that guy didnt invent?
That was a joke question.

Am I to understand that you googled a Brazilian Tesla fan blog of a "private research lab" located near, get this, Lake Paranoa :-)) and presented it as proof of a functional electrogravitic generator, and, by extension, proof of a TR3B propulsion system?

Is that what you're doing?

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: groingrinder

originally posted by: _BoneZ_
a reply to: Bloodydagger

There was no single large craft. I'll be making a thread later this week laying to rest the Phoenix Lights incident once and for all.

It better not involve flares. You will be wrong.

Not completely.


Likely flares AND an unconventional craft...

Likely?
As in you havent got a bloody clue and are guessing like everyone else.

I was under the impression that the flares were let off as a cover story and the times didnt match at all.
I may be mistaken, its been a long time since I looked into the Phoenix Lights.

My opinion, human top secret craft. Its the only thing that makes sense.

So your OPINION is not only the same as mine, but just as LIKELY.

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: draknoir2
I find it amusing how some are so casual and matter-of-fact in their use of mythological black projects built with mythological technology as the most reasonable explanations for UFO sightings.

The TR6 utilizes five electrogravitic generators for propulsion and is considered a “VTOL” craft not needing a runway.

Electrogravitic generator? Sez so on "Agent D" and "Agent K's" blog, so it must be a real thing.

A simple google search gave me a few links including this one.

It states that the term was in widespread use in 1956. NINETEEN FIFTY SIX!!!

Does anybody use google?
I thought we were supposed to be researchers?

The whole damn problem with the truth community is the failure to check facts.
It would seem the debunking community has the same problem.

Apparently Nikola Tesla was the first to propose Electrogravitic generators.

Is there anything that guy didnt invent?
That was a joke question.

Am I to understand that you googled a Brazilian Tesla fan blog of a "private research lab" located near, get this, Lake Paranoa :-)) and presented it as proof of a functional electrogravitic generator, and, by extension, proof of a TR3B propulsion system?

Is that what you're doing?

No what I was doing was highlighting that the technology has been researched, was considered a valid propulsion system as far back as the 1920's. It does exist, even if only the realms of scientific speculation.

And by extension showing you to be seriously lacking in checking facts.

Are you saying now that these guys named the Lake?

Yes its funny, but its true. Are you saying that all the embassies and consulates and the university around the lake in the capital of Brazil are "paranoid" If you look really closely, you might realise they are two different words.
Just like Ball and Bill. Not exactly the same now eh?

Instead of being so fast to jump in and start making denials, at least do a basic google search, is that too much to ask?

originally posted by: _BoneZ_
a reply to: Bloodydagger

There was no single large craft. I'll be making a thread later this week laying to rest the Phoenix Lights incident once and for all.

then i guess the dozens of witnesses who described SEEING a single large craft were all mistaken or lying?

eta were you there? did you see it?

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: groingrinder

originally posted by: _BoneZ_
a reply to: Bloodydagger

There was no single large craft. I'll be making a thread later this week laying to rest the Phoenix Lights incident once and for all.

It better not involve flares. You will be wrong.

Not completely.


Likely flares AND an unconventional craft...

Likely?
As in you havent got a bloody clue and are guessing like everyone else.

I was under the impression that the flares were let off as a cover story and the times didnt match at all.
I may be mistaken, its been a long time since I looked into the Phoenix Lights.

My opinion, human top secret craft. Its the only thing that makes sense.

So your OPINION is not only the same as mine, but just as LIKELY.

No my opinion isnt the same, I really dont know.

Im guessing, just like everyone else.

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: draknoir2

originally posted by: OneManArmy

originally posted by: draknoir2
I find it amusing how some are so casual and matter-of-fact in their use of mythological black projects built with mythological technology as the most reasonable explanations for UFO sightings.

The TR6 utilizes five electrogravitic generators for propulsion and is considered a “VTOL” craft not needing a runway.

Electrogravitic generator? Sez so on "Agent D" and "Agent K's" blog, so it must be a real thing.

A simple google search gave me a few links including this one.

It states that the term was in widespread use in 1956. NINETEEN FIFTY SIX!!!

Does anybody use google?
I thought we were supposed to be researchers?

The whole damn problem with the truth community is the failure to check facts.
It would seem the debunking community has the same problem.

Apparently Nikola Tesla was the first to propose Electrogravitic generators.

Is there anything that guy didnt invent?
That was a joke question.

Am I to understand that you googled a Brazilian Tesla fan blog of a "private research lab" located near, get this, Lake Paranoa :-)) and presented it as proof of a functional electrogravitic generator, and, by extension, proof of a TR3B propulsion system?

Is that what you're doing?

No what I was doing was highlighting that the technology has been researched, was considered a valid propulsion system as far back as the 1920's. It does exist, even if only the realms of scientific speculation.

And by extension showing you to be seriously lacking in checking facts.

Are you saying now that these guys named the Lake?

Yes its funny, but its true. Are you saying that all the embassies and consulates and the university around the lake in the capital of Brazil are "paranoid" If you look really closely, you might realise they are two different words.
Just like Ball and Bill. Not exactly the same now eh?

Instead of being so fast to jump in and start making denials, at least do a basic google search, is that too much to ask?

How does speculation equal existence?

Here's a hint: It doesn't.


Any knucklehead can type a word into a search box and link the results. That doesn't make it "research".