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Islamic State throws men off building for ‘being gay’

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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

You don't believe it's being used now? In the present tense?




posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:28 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Annee





Religion can be used as a dangerous tool to creates division.


There fixed it for you.........

I dont get people who always blame religion..........

its not religions fault that people are greedy, power hungry, violent , depraved individuals......

One is naive to think, that if religion werent around all the sudden people wouldnt be killing each other over some other conviction......



Religion and God are not exclusively the same thing.

Religion is a man made ideology. An ideology of specific belief and moral codes --- that leaders of that ideology expect everyone to adhere to. And followers don't think for themselves.

Don't speak for me. Religion is a dangerous tool that creates divides.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:31 PM
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a reply to: ~Lucidity

It is horrible, and my heart really goes out to these people.

But, it's extremist Buddhist monks doing it. Just like we have Jihadi Islamists, Fundamental Christians and Zionist Jews.

Welcome to the actual truth of religion - you can't just blame abrhamic faiths for the world's problems.




posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

You don't believe it's being used now? In the present tense?


Sure of course I never denied that........

My point is i dont think its fair to blanket religions as dangerous.........when its the people using it as a weapon that are dangerous.....

People will find ways to use ANY belief as justification for murder, or any other sort of depravity.......

This sort of thing isnt mutually exclusive to religion.......



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

Sorry, i thought MSM included Al Jazeera, Reuters etc....

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was talking about the billions of videos there are on Youtube with no credibility


Yeah, I know where you are coming from.

This Rohingya thing deserves it's own thread me thinks.

** Edit for anyone wanting to discuss the Rohingya issue, I have started a thread here
edit on 18-1-2015 by markosity1973 because: Added link to new off topic thread



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Annee





Religion can be used as a dangerous tool to creates division.


There fixed it for you.........

I dont get people who always blame religion..........

its not religions fault that people are greedy, power hungry, violent , depraved individuals......

One is naive to think, that if religion werent around all the sudden people wouldnt be killing each other over some other conviction......



Religion and God are not exclusively the same thing.

Religion is a man made ideology. An ideology of specific belief and moral codes --- that leaders of that ideology expect everyone to adhere to. And followers don't think for themselves.

Don't speak for me. Religion is a dangerous tool that creates divides.





Yet you presume to speak for others when you say religion is dangerous....

You do see the hypocrisy there dont you?

I see plenty of relgious people out there who arent a danger to anyone and infact use their religion as a means to help other people.......

You can try and negate what I said all you want.......

it doesnt make it not true.......

Religion isnt dangerous in itself , what PEOPLE do in the name of their religions are......

There are plenty of atheist psychopaths out there as well.........whats their excuse?
edit on 1/18/2015 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yeah the "religion is the problem" crowd never seem to own up to the fact the highest death toll in history goes to Stalin's anti-Religious Russia...


But what would Earth be without persecution of the truly religious?



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

You don't believe it's being used now? In the present tense?


Sure of course I never denied that........

My point is i dont think its fair to blanket religions as dangerous.........when its the people using it as a weapon that are dangerous.....


Really?... It was "people" that created religions.

If you know anything about the true nature of people, then you should know all you need to know about religions.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: Annee


Religion is a man made ideology.



You can prove this?

You can prove that all religions began not with Divine experience...
But man made ideas?


No you can't!



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Yeah the "religion is the problem" crowd never seem to own up to the fact the highest death toll in history goes to Stalin's anti-Religious Russia...


But what would Earth be without persecution of the truly religious?


Absolutely , but some people are so anti-religion they cant see the forest for the trees....

They forget the worst enemy of any idea, whether it be science, religion, technology, money, is human nature.

People will kill for anything, its not exclusive to religion.....

Land, money and power seems to be the really big ones but......hey lets blame religion anyway......



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
Got it. I missed the subtlety there. Thanks for clarifying.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:47 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Yeah, it's not religion that's the real problem. It's usually ego.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So true...


& if we had some sort of machine that could define the true intentions of all crimes commited in the name of religion...

I bet a great many would actually have had an ulterior motive such as greed, lust, hate, envy or just plain psychopathy.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Annee


Religion is a man made ideology.



You can prove this?

You can prove that all religions began not with Divine experience...
But man made ideas?


No you can't!


There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his messenger.

Muhammad was a man, yes?

Can you prove he was actually the messenger of god or allah or whatever?

For all we really know, he was just another undiagnosed mental case hearing voices in his head...



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: ~Lucidity

Yeah I look at it like this...

There is problems in the black/white/jewish/muslim/christian/asian/buddhist communities...

Firstly that doesn't mean those communities are the problem...


In fact the only common denominator is that they're all Human...



Beware the beast Man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: ausername

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

You don't believe it's being used now? In the present tense?


Sure of course I never denied that........

My point is i dont think its fair to blanket religions as dangerous.........when its the people using it as a weapon that are dangerous.....


Really?... It was "people" that created religions.

If you know anything about the true nature of people, then you should know all you need to know about religions.


That statement is patently false........

There are plenty of people out there who follow theologies that advocate the harming and subjugation of none.......

So to try and make a case that all religions were started as a method of control is ridiculous.......

Now have people USED them to do so? of course they have....

have people used other things as a method of control, of course....

Again its not mutually exclusive to Religion



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:53 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn

originally posted by: deadeyedick


originally posted by: ChesterJohn

Riddle me this what percentage of the 1.6 billion Muslims are radical and what are moderate?







And how can you tell the difference?




the radicals are the ones pushing folks off the building and the peaceful ones are cheering them on at ground level while claiming no choice in the matter.




So then all are radical but only a few live it out?
By doing nothing they are letting it happen.

What would you think if you rolled into a town and a couple men were raping children in the middle of town and a crowd was gathered around watching?

Would you make excuses for those watching?

What if a few others there had guns?

Would you just label the crowd as helpless to step in and help the children because of a gun?

I think that in that situation many would force them to use their guns and likely be over run but why is it different when it is murder and not something else?



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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Muhammad was a man yes.

I think his teaching the Arabs not to bury their daughters alive in the Sand was a message from God...
As well as many other things he said...

So yes I'd say that is evidence of a messenger!


Aside from that, as someone who hears voices...
There is no connection to hearing voices & being a "mental case"...

Other symptoms lead to that, erm, definition.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: ausername

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

You don't believe it's being used now? In the present tense?


Sure of course I never denied that........

My point is i dont think its fair to blanket religions as dangerous.........when its the people using it as a weapon that are dangerous.....


Really?... It was "people" that created religions.

If you know anything about the true nature of people, then you should know all you need to know about religions.


That statement is patently false........

There are plenty of people out there who follow theologies that advocate the harming and subjugation of none.......

So to try and make a case that all religions were started as a method of control is ridiculous.......

Now have people USED them to do so? of course they have....

have people used other things as a method of control, of course....

Again its not mutually exclusive to Religion


No, it is exclusive to human nature. The naturally flawed and inherently corruptible nature of man.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: ausername

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: ausername

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

You don't believe it's being used now? In the present tense?


Sure of course I never denied that........

My point is i dont think its fair to blanket religions as dangerous.........when its the people using it as a weapon that are dangerous.....


Really?... It was "people" that created religions.

If you know anything about the true nature of people, then you should know all you need to know about religions.


That statement is patently false........

There are plenty of people out there who follow theologies that advocate the harming and subjugation of none.......

So to try and make a case that all religions were started as a method of control is ridiculous.......

Now have people USED them to do so? of course they have....

have people used other things as a method of control, of course....

Again its not mutually exclusive to Religion


No, it is exclusive to human nature. The naturally flawed and inherently corruptible nature of man.


Absolutely agree.......I hope that some day we can evolve beyond that.......




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