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Islamic State throws men off building for ‘being gay’

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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: deadeyedick

Anyone comes after me or mine, and I will kill too. Morons seem to only understand the language of violence, and that is a language I have learned to speak fluently.



I have stated the same in this thread that i would end up in hell likely if it came down to it but more than that i have faith that the man upstairs will lookout for me and mine if i keep the faith and that contridiction i live by has been tested by the man upstairs and in the end i know and have faith in a peaceful solution in these situations.

What i have learned and tried to pass on is that in a situation like the op God is just looking for one person in the crowd of cheers to stand up and say me first even when extremely out numbered and no forseeable way out he test us and delivers us if we remain true. Just one person there and we would have a different op.




posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: deadeyedick



Why don't you take it slow and go over piece by piece exactly what I said? Feigning inability to understand my points doesn't automatically negate my points. The fact of the matter is that the bible calls for MORE violence than the quran does, the quran ALSO condemns murder, and you have completely deluded yourself with a made up version of reality.


I did go through it and it is all that i could find just assumptions about this or that. Even the main verse in question acts was just not understood correctly. You are gonna have to try again to try to make the claim stick that GOD or Jesus doing violence in the bibli is the same as the koran asking followers to kill others. It is not comparable.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick
Yeah, it would have been three people being tossed of a rooftop, that would make the story totally different.

I come from the west, I have had the luxury of being able to pay for training in various armed and unarmed martial combat styles. I have had the luxury of buying and building many arms. I have had the luxury of being able to eat at least one good meal a day, enough to nourish my body to make it strong. We have so much opportunity, that we take for granted, it was always there.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick
The bible god commanded his followers to kill off whole cities..... Kill the men, women, male children, and keep the little virgin girls for themselves.

You get indignant and talk of misinterpreting bible passages, yet when muslims tell you that you are doing the same to their book, you brush them aside. Hypocrite. I tell ya what. Christian scum, in my lifetime, have kidnapped native north american children, using the threat of state violence. They indoctrinated my people to hate themselves and their parents, their roots. They raped and tortured native children. I can't say the same about muslims.

If there is a new holy war, you don't really have to wonder where I will stand.
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: deadeyedick

Oh BS. I posted interpretations of the bible just like you posted interpretations of the quran. If your interpretations are good enough then mine are good enough. I knew you aren't intellectually honest enough to actually critically critique your position. You've already made up your mind, and no amount of evidence is going to change it. Just living in your fairy tail world where Christianity is all nice and great and Islam is the devil. Such simplicity...

2011 Norway attacks
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

No you posted examples of GOD and Jesus doind killings and tried to compare that to the koran where muhommad calls for his followers to kill for him.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: deadeyedick

The bible god commanded his followers to kill off whole cities..... Kill the men, women, male children, and keep the little virgin girls for themselves.



You get indignant and talk of misinterpreting bible passages, yet when muslims tell you that you are doing the same to their book, you brush them aside. Hypocrite. I tell ya what. Christian scum, in my lifetime, have kidnapped native north american children, using the threat of state violence. They indoctrinated my people to hate themselves and their parents, their roots. They raped and tortured native children. I can't say the same about muslims.



If there is a new holy war, you don't really have to wonder where I will stand.


........'state' violence........ as opposed to being written in the Bible? So I assume the Bible explicitly tells them to kidnap, rape and torture native children. And this happened in your lifetime? Can you provide a link? I sure hope those people were caught and persecuted to the fullest extent of the law.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: TKDRL

No i read what you posted about the koran and some other parts.

It is extremely clear that the koran calls for followers to kill.

No amount of weapons or training can eaqual the power of faith.

Faith can move mountains.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No you posted examples of GOD and Jesus doind killings and tried to compare that to the koran where muhommad calls for his followers to kill for him.


Ugh... Such trivialities... In any case you are wrong. I also posted calls to kill others that AREN'T about god and jesus.

Acts
Peter claims that Dt 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23
The author of Acts talks about the "sure mercies of David." But David was anything but merciful. For an example of his behavior see 2 Sam 12:31 and 1 Chr 20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of several cities. 13:34
Romans
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" - - along with gossips, boasters, and disobedient children. 1:31-32


Oh yeah, there is THIS gem:
Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

Looks like the Christians who don't obey Leviticus are wrong and those laws still apply.
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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Acts 22-23For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from their people.

Being cut off from your people is not being killed, nor is this passage some kind of endorsement to kill anyone. It is the same as being disowned. When your father disowns you he writes you out of the will, your inheritance is gone, and you are caste out of the family. Same thing is being spoken of here..

Isaiah 55:4 Incline your ear and come to Me. Listen, that you may live; And I will make an everlasting covenant with you, According to the faithful mercies shown to David.

This is speaking about the mercy that God showed to David, not the mercy David showed to others. A king must also protect his people and his kingdom, do you want your president to sit and allow your country overrun by people who would kill you and rape your wife and take all your possessions?

Or do you want a King that will keep the borders secure so you can live in a land in security? Just because David was a Jewish king doesn't mean that he should allow his kingdom to fall to invaders...

If you want more context on Romans you can read my last thread called "An Open Message to the people of Westboro Baptist": www.abovetopsecret.com... as I recently spoke on the exact Romans passage you are here trying to pass off as something else entirely.

The passage is Romans has not one thing to do with homosexuals.. it has to do with all those who do not follow God, It is good to note, that just prior to your passage in Romans, it details exactly what God does with these people..

He allows them to have their own way...

And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

That is free will right there, God says, if that is what you want, then have at it. I will address this personally then in the afterlife. Nothing about homosexuals, it has a two or three verses full of sins, and it speaks specifically to those within the church who judge people outside the church.


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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

Hey, I'm just using the time honored tradition of cherry picking passages out of the bible to say whatever you want them to say. Isn't that what deadeyedick was doing with his quran passages that supposedly call all Muslims to violence?



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Now you are just posting a sad attempt of grasping at hot air proceeding from your mouth.

Jesus said indeed that he came to FULLFILL the law and he done just that. The law was overcome by him and now we are his.

That means he did not come to fight and destroy the powers of the law but he paid the highest price for all that would follow him and now the whole of the law is LOVE.

Everything you are referencing is in some cases not refering to death and in the rest of the examples they are referencing GOD'S judgments.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: deadeyedick
Actually watching things does have some support for them and there effect on people if you do not condemn it outright but even more so watching and cheering has huge effects. That is why i did not attempt to post any videos of the events.


It's easy to condemn something from the comfort of your keyboard. Doing it in a public place, where there's armed opposition is much more difficult. If you don't believe me lets step away from Muslim extremism and look at police actions in the US. How many people take defiant actions against the cops as those actions are happening?



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

When have cops pushed two gays off a building while a thousand citizens stood on the ground cheering?

I want to take a different angle at this but that one i can not make the connection.

Would you like to use ferguson as an example? I think it proves my point well.


To be clear the koran calls for murder by followers over a hundred times and now many want to claim that it does not and it is a religion of peace and christianity is no different. That is why they cheer when gays are killed.
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

I was Muslim, I know by heart what the Quran says... and why it says it. .

Find a passage in the Quran that says that homosexuals cannot be killed, or that men have free will to do as they please. The punishment in Islam is death for homosexuality and more. No holds barred, and it is to be carried out by the followers of Islam - not God.
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: TKDRL
Morons seem to only understand the language of violence, and that is a language I have learned to speak fluently.


So are you saying that you understand the language of violence?

Hmmm


Sorry TKDRL, couldn't resist. I enjoy your posts against the Dick though. Keep up the good work!
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posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

So you agree with deadeyedick's cherry picking here, but my cherry picking isn't ok? Got it, double standard set.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

But your talking to someone who was Muslim.

The verses about killing unbelievers does speak about it being during times of war, because those verses were revealed during times of war, yet today is a time of war to many Muslims in the world, so they will take those verses to heart today..

The only way to save your life, according to Islam during a time of war is to pray salah, and give zakah:

But if they repent and perform the Salah, and give Zakah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 05:06 PM
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From everything I've seen and read, the way people treat gay people is dependent on a variety of factors. Cultural, religious, legal, and the interpretation of any of the above by people who are influenced by things outside of their own logical and rational minds.

There are people everywhere, of every race, color, religion, culture, who would interpret some words and use them as a rationalization for doing all sorts of things to other people, from simply judging them to murdering them.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: Krazysh0t

But your talking to someone who was Muslim.

The verses about killing unbelievers does speak about it being during times of war, because those verses were revealed during times of war, yet today is a time of war to many Muslims in the world, so they will take those verses to heart today..

The only way to save your life, according to Islam during a time of war is to pray salah, and give zakah:

But if they repent and perform the Salah, and give Zakah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.


The only people at war are the one blowing themselves up. There are plenty of Muslims out there who are perfectly happy blending in with Western society or don't have a grudge against it. Sounds like cherry picking scripture to suit your narrative to me. But what do I know? I think both the bible and the quran are old mythology books that people take WAY too seriously.

People can and DO use the quotes from the bible I mentioned to justify their violence and people can and DO use their violence. Half dozen in one and 6 in the other.
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