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thomas fleming 2 months ago It is a well known maxim that the 'the winners write the history" and those writers have consistently avoided the issue that very high tarriffs where the cause of the war. Those dishonest " historians" also gloss over that Lincoln's issues on slavery did not appear in the North until the THIRD YEAR of the war when support for it was lagging. it then became merely a propaganda tool for the North's illegal war against the South. The Constitutional Republic defined by the founders died when Lincoln denied the legal right of each State's secession and illegally invaded The South. There is evidence that the New England states considered secession twice prior to the war of Northern aggression. When they did so, NO ONE argued that secession was unthinkable. There is no place in the Constitution that forbids each State their sovereign right to seceded. In fact, the Constitution allows for such action. The South was no military threat to the North; they simply wanted to be left alone to go their own way. It was Lincoln's obsession that the big federal government sought by the Hamilton branch of the founders had to be preserved that led to the illegal war. The small government - in the vein of the Jefferson branch of the founders - suffered its first blow by Lincoln's trampling of the laws and was finished off by Wilson and FDR. NOTE: A 'civil war' is one between two factions striving to control a country. This was NOT the case with the The War Against The South. The South wanted the right to a government of their choice guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence. There's no difference between The South's fight to be free from a tyrannical government and the Colonies' struggle against an earlier tyrant.
thomas fleming 4 days ago Some valuable quotes from both sides of The War: General J.B. Gordon remarked after the war: “No. We did not want war and we did not inaugurate it. All we asked was to be let alone. But the North, which had become more populous and powerful than the South, determined to preserve her commercial interests, hence the war.” General Jubal Early remarked also: “The people of the United States will find that under the pretense of saving the life of the Nation and upholding the old flag, they have surrendered their own liberties into the hands of that worst of all tyrants, a body of senseless fanatics.” General U.S. Grant who retained his slaves until December 1866, said: “Should I become convinced that the object of the Government is to execute the wishes of the abolitionists, I pledge you my honor as a man and soldier I would resign my commission and carry my sword to the other side.” Interestingly, the Governor of N.J., Joel Parker said in 1863, “Slavery is no more the cause of this war than gold is the cause of robbery.” Finally, the U.S. Congress passed a resolution on July 23, 1861: “The war is waged by the Government of the United States, not in the spirit of conquest or subjugation, nor for the purpose of interfering with the rights or institutions of the States, but to defend and protect the Union.” The senseless war that was begun in 1861 and ended after reconstruction in 1877 freed no one; it simply expanded the boundaries so that we all share the servitude.
false flag Something disguised to seem affiliated with a group OTHER THAN the one it really is affiliated with. For example, a "false flag operation" is a terrorist act committed by one group for the express purpose of discrediting another group, which is framed for it.
The Illustrated University History, 1878, p. 504, tells us that the southern states swarmed with British agents. These conspired with local politicians to work against the best interests of the United States. Their carefully sown and nurtured propaganda developed into open rebellion and resulted in the secession of South Carolina on December 29, 1860. Within weeks another six states joined the conspiracy against the Union, and broke away to form the Confederate States of America, with Jefferson Davis as President.
The plotters raided armies, seized forts, arsenals, mints and other Union property. Even members of President Buchanan's Cabinet conspired to destroy the Union by damaging the public credit and working to bankrupt the nation. Buchanan claimed to deplore secession but took no steps to check it, even when a U.S. ship was fired upon by South Carolina shore batteries.
Shortly thereafter Abraham Lincoln became President, being inaugurated on March 4, 1861. Lincoln immediately ordered a blockade on Southern ports, to cut off supplies that were pouring in from Europe. The 'official' date for the start of the Civil War is given as April 12, 1861, when Fort Sumter in South Carolina was bombarded by the Confederates, but it obviously began at a much earlier date.
In December, 1861, large numbers of European Troops (British, French and Spanish) poured into Mexico in defiance of the Monroe Doctrine. This, together with widespread European aid to the Confederacy strongly indicated that the Crown was preparing to enter the war. The outlook for the North, and the future of the Union, was bleak indeed.
In this hour of extreme crisis, Lincoln appealed to the Crown's perennial enemy, Russia, for assistance. When the envelope containing Lincoln's urgent appeal was given to Czar Alexander II, he weighed it unopened in his hand and stated: "Before we open this paper or know its contents, we grant any request it may contain."
Unannounced, a Russian fleet under Admiral Liviski, steamed into New York harbor on September 24, 1863, and anchored there, The Russian Pacific fleet, under Admiral Popov, arrived in San Francisco on October 12. Of this Russian act, Gideon Wells said: "They arrived at the high tide of the Confederacy and the low tide of the North, causing England and France to hesitate long enough to turn the tide for the North" (Empire of "The City," p. 90).
History reveals that the Rothschilds were heavily involved in financing both sides in the Civil War.
Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton discuss Hamilton's plan to create a Bank of the United States
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: intrepid
And yet there were tasks that plantation owners would rather hire day labor for than make their slaves do. When it came to loading the large cotton bales onto packet steamers for example, the work was physically risky. Plantation owners would often rather hire cheap Irish day laborers to do it because if one of the cotton bales slipped and rolled over on the laborers trying to load the bale, it would often do serious physical injuries that the laborer would not recover from.
Slaves were expensive property that many owners would rather keep from that risk to do less dangerous hard labor. So they'd pay the day expense for Irish laborers.
In a lot of cases, as I've dug deeper into the issue myself, the South was a much more complicated place than the brief overview we get taught. There were even a very few black landowners who owned slaves themselves.
originally posted by: Brotherman
I once had read somewhere that the whole slavery issue was brought into play by Lincoln later on in the war as he was trying to win the favor of help from France and they had just recently abolished slavery. He used it as a way to convince them that they were fighting a war for justice, or human rights or something to that effect. Isn't it apparent that it was not about slavery simply because the law didn't really change until sometime after the war was over??? I am unclear about that.
Without wanting to sound antagonistic towards you Americans across the water... So please don't take this the wrong way...