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Europe’s Leading Rabbi: Jews Must Begin Carrying Guns

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posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 08:09 PM
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It must be stupid hour in the USA, you've all come out at once!


originally posted by: SheopleNation
Oh ok Friend, And on his way home walking out of a London Army Barracks? Tell me Mr. so called Proud Englishman, Why would you attempt to distort such a story of horror?


He was actually on his way to work, not his way home and was about 200m from the entrance to the barracks when he was run over.

And from this I can assume that every US soldier when they have finished for the day heads home in full combat gear and armed to the bollocks? I doubt it....


originally posted by: SheopleNation
Well the question Sir! Is why the hell should he not have been armed? I smell a rat, and not of the English origin.


What? Once again, why would he have a gun on him? I know for a fact that US servicemen when not on active deployment don't go around routinely armed either. You're building the worlds crappiest strawman here.


originally posted by: SheopleNation
Oh no my friend, I think what we clearly have here is a closet mercenary with motives, who has attempted to sugar coat the brutal slaughter of an innocent Man. I just hope they have an eye on you over there, just to be safe. ~$heopleNation


Yup, I thought so, you're actually either seriously deranged or just plain stupid.





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posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

Listen, it might be showing one street, but how does that have anything to do with the point you're trying to make? As I said, Birmingham is as big as LA, so how does one street have any bearing on whether it is being overrun by Muslims, as you're trying to claim?

One has to wonder about the standard of the education system in the US, it seems to churn a load of bloody morons.



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: stumason

It must be stupid hour in the USA, you've all come out at once!


That is not necessary, I don't see what the need is for insulting everyone because they do not share your warped and confused views that seem to support the brutal murder of a Man because he was in civilian clothes. Does that justify his life being taken from him?



He was actually on his way to work, not his way home and was about 200m from the entrance to the barracks when he was run over.


What does it matter if he was on his way there, or on his way home? Does either or justify someone being ran over and then hacked to death, what is wrong with your brain exactly?


And from this I can assume that every US soldier when they have finished for the day heads home in full combat gear and armed to the bollocks? I doubt it....


Depends on the State Laws, but many Military personnel return home, or go about their daily business armed with permits. You might want to study up on what happens out here instead of making reckless assumptions about that, and everything else.


What?


Huh?


Once again, why would he have a gun on him? I know for a fact that US servicemen when not on active deployment don't go around routinely armed either. You're building the worlds crappiest strawman here.


Obviously it is you doesn't know what the hell you're talking about, cause you're 100% wrong. Straw man nonsense this, straw man nonsense that, your overplayed internet labels mean absolutely nothing to me, lets just stick to the facts instead of making up fantasy laws for us over here, those days have far ended, and let's stick to the discussion, not insults.


Yup, I thought so, you're actually either seriously deranged or just plain stupid.


About all I hear from you is more insults, yet nothing to back up your drivel. Did you forget what your friends said in that video, you know the ones who butchered that innocent Man that day? Here, let me help you out Mr. Proud Englishman.........



~$heopleNation
edit on 19-1-2015 by SheopleNation because: TypO



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: SheopleNation


And from this I can assume that every US soldier when they have finished for the day heads home in full combat gear and armed to the bollocks? I doubt it....


Depends on the State Laws, but many Military personnel return home, or go about their daily business armed with permits. You might want to study up on what happens out here instead of making reckless assumptions about that, and everything else.


No. It doesnt depend on state laws. Personal weapons arent allowed in barracks or on base by enlisted men period. All seefice weapons, unless deployed overseas in a combat zone, are locked in an armory at the end of your shift. Its been DOD policy since Bush in 92 to ban personal weapons on base by almost all military and all civillian personel unless you can demonstrate to a base commander why your life may be in danger and require you to be armed. Typically only MP's and federal investigators assigned to various bases are allowed to be armed




Once again, why would he have a gun on him? I know for a fact that US servicemen when not on active deployment don't go around routinely armed either. You're building the worlds crappiest strawman here.


Obviously it is you doesn't know what the hell you're talking about, cause you're 100% wrong guy. Straw man nonsense this, straw man nonsense that, your overplayed internet labels mean absolutely nothing to me, lets just stick to the facts instead of making up fantasy laws for us over here, those days have far ended.


In regards to Lee Rigby, if youre trying to imply that because some american servicemen may carry a personal weapon while living off base and on their private time youre swinging at a foul ball. Rigby was on his way to work which means if he were an american he would not have been armed as he would have been arrested for carrying on base. Its not a terribly difficult thing to grasp.

When i enlisted almost 25 years ago i did so with naive intentions but always continued some of that naivete by stating that i would always stand up for the rights of other americans to speak their minds under the first amendment whether i agreed with them or not. It was part of why i thought it was important to serve. As i get older im starting to wonder just what the hell I was thinking becsuse so,e on the nonsensical, sensationalist and ignorant statements i keep seeing by other americans is frankly, embarressing. When did we turn i to a nation of chicken littles yelling that the sky was falling when half the time nobody is even looking up before they open their mouths?



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 08:59 PM
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originally posted by: SheopleNation
That is not necessary, I don't see what the need is for insulting everyone because they do not share your warped and confused views that seem to support the brutal murder of a Man because he was in civilian clothes. Does that justify his life being taken from him?


Oh right, but's it ok to call us all wimps and to essentially call me an Islamist sympathiser? Hypocrite.


originally posted by: SheopleNation
What does it matter if he was on his way there, or on his way home? Does either or justify someone being ran over and then hacked to death, what is wrong with your brain exactly?


And where, exactly, did you see me justify the attack? You have serious comprehension issues. The argument was about him being armed or not, not whether the attack was justified.


originally posted by: SheopleNation
Depends on the State Laws, but many Military personnel return home, or go about their daily business armed with permits. You might want to study up on what happens out here instead of making reckless assumptions about that, and everything else.


Considering that when I was in Germany, I lived next door to a US marine who I never once saw with as much as a sidearm, let alone his rifle. No assumptions here, I've seen it for myself.



originally posted by: SheopleNation
Obviously it is you doesn't know what the hell you're talking about, cause you're 100% wrong. Straw man nonsense this, straw man nonsense that, your overplayed internet labels mean absolutely nothing to me, lets just stick to the facts instead of making up fantasy laws for us over here, those days have far ended, and let's stick to the discussion, not insults.


That's rich, coming from you. It's telling that from 5 lines of text, you actually managed to avoid the issue - remember (I realise that to do so, you'd have to engage all 3 brain cells, but give it a go) you came in questioning why Lee Rigby wasn't armed. when he was attacked. Focus...


originally posted by: SheopleNation
About all I hear from you is more insults, yet nothing to back up your drivel. Did you forget what your friends said in that video, you know the ones who butchered that innocent Man that day? Here, let me help you out Mr. Proud Englishman.........



~$heopleNation


More nonsensical drivel. I have no idea where you've got the notion from I am some sort of Islamist sympathiser. Whatever you're smoking, I'd put it down, you're making yourself look an idiot. Once again, you came in throwing the insults around about Lee Rigby and why he wasn't armed yet, somewhere along the line, you've twisted it into me being an Islamist apologist?

What the fudge?
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posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 08:59 PM
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originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: WarminIndy



One has to wonder about the standard of the education system in the US, it seems to churn a load of bloody morons.


Hey stumason? When you have gathered up all your marbles, calmed down, and you're willing to discuss this rationally without attacks against us Americans, then just get back to us. All Men are wrong every now and then in their lives. No need to allow your hatred to exhibit anymore of your anger at this time my friend.

Hey? Like my Welsh born, and now deceased Grandfather who as an American helped prevent the Germans from invading your land once said to me as a young boy while taking me on memorable train rides through the Sierra Nevada of the great and mighty United States of America, Tomorrow is another day my Son. ~$heopleNation



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: SheopleNation

You're a hypocrite who not only doesn't know what he's talking about and get's confused over what exactly he is arguing about, but came in swinging to this thread and are now getting you'r panties in a bunch because I swung back? So, you can get of that high horse of yours.

As for the "preventing the Germans from invading your land", I'm afraid that once again that's a swing and a miss. Typical, tired old comments from an American who assumes the Hollywood version of history is the correct one.



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: WarminIndy

I've lived in some really rough places during my time yet I have always felt perfectly safe no matter where I am. I cannot remember the last time I've ever felt "unsafe". I'm not really sure what your point is, to be honest, otother than admitting you're a bit a wimp


Well now it is clear to see that it was you who started labeling us Americans first as wimps, eh? LMAO! Nothing could be further from the truth, we are no wimps over here.

Yeah sure you might get a few real wimps, as you call people who do not agree with you, over here supporting your misled assumptions, but most people with intelligence understand the truth, cause the History doesn't lie. People like you can speak because of Americans before you who gave their lives for your Country. ~$heopleNation



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: stumason

You're a hypocrite who not only doesn't know what he's talking about and get's confused over what exactly he is arguing about, but came in swinging to this thread and are now getting you'r panties in a bunch because I swung back? So, you can get of that high horse of yours.



I have no clue why you're such an angry Man, but I am not your enemy my friend. You and I disagree about the subject that we are discussing, but I don't wish anything bad on you, nor do I hate you. Just calm down and take a deep breath, we can work through this and hopefully meet each other half way, because that is what reasonable people do. ~$heopleNation



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 09:13 PM
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KNOCK IT OFF FOLKS!

The topic is not each other, EVER!

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Do not reply to this post.

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posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 09:16 PM
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posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: peter vlar

Peter, I was not addressing while in the barracks, I was addressing while one leaves the base to go home. The focus was on why does that even matter? The Man was butchered either way. If this were to happen here in the States, an armed Civilian with a carry and conceal permit could have possibly saved this Man/s life. Instead of a couple of females passing by who had the courage to confront and talk to the murderer, maybe a human beings life could have been saved? ~$heopleNation



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 10:48 PM
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originally posted by: SheopleNation
a reply to: peter vlar

Peter, I was not addressing while in the barracks, I was addressing while one leaves the base to go home. The focus was on why does that even matter? The Man was butchered either way. If this were to happen here in the States, an armed Civilian with a carry and conceal permit could have possibly saved this Man/s life. Instead of a couple of females passing by who had the courage to confront and talk to the murderer, maybe a human beings life could have been saved? ~$heopleNation



One of my brothers in the Navy said that during the rioting in Los Angeles, the National Guard had to literally escort every person in a uniform to their homes.

They were rioting all the way up the coast of California and had to be escorted to their homes by armed military. But all of my brothers, all five of them, served in all the branches. Not any of them carry guns today, but recognize the rights of other people to have them.

I've never heard them talk about carrying sidearms to home or back, except for the one in the Marines, apparently he had to while on guard duty.

I suppose it depends on your job. Do the MPs carry sidearms all the time? Aren't they generally always on duty?



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

Yes, MP's are always armed. They along with other service members on active patrols or guard duty are exempt from the DOD mandate. Typically they turn in their sidearms etc... Once their shift is finished, to the armory. Everything is signed in and out, serial numbers matched and accounted for.



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 11:23 PM
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a reply to: WarminIndy

Yeah it depends though on the rank, and where they are stationed or leaving. Yes there are strict Military personnel regulations these days here in the USA, we seen it with that nut who shot everyone up here on that base years ago after he slaughtered defenseless human beings who should have been able to defend themselves while still on grounds.

Point is, we have more freedoms here in the military, and concerning citizens as well, like the ability to conceal and carry, much more than they allow in England, and that was my point.

I know that we as citizens under the 2nd Amendment of the United States Constitution, have our own rights as well that England has no say WHATSOEVER over, nor do the liars who are paid off in D.C!

At the end of the day though, I don't care where it is, every human being has a right to defend themselves, their friends and their families, whatever the case may be. Criminals will always have access to firearms, so law abiding citizens should always equally have access to firearms! ~$heopleNation

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posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 05:02 AM
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a reply to: SheopleNation

Civilians having guns is not the answer. He might have been saved and then gone to the supermarket and had his face shot off by somebody's toddler.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: Britguy

Good luck with that then! First one detained for a spot search is in line for a 10 year sentence in the UK.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: WilsonWilson
Civilians having guns is not the answer. He might have been saved and then gone to the supermarket and had his face shot off by somebody's toddler.


Or struck and killed by a car while walking through the parking lot on his way into the supermarket.

Yeah, Let's just ban everything, and everyone just stay home and never leave the house because of stupid people. ~$heopleNation



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 10:52 AM
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a reply to: WarminIndy that's two guys from the BNP in a no go zone. Not much of a no go zone if you have 2 members of the BNP going there.



posted on Jan, 20 2015 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: SheopleNation
a reply to: peter vlar

Peter, I was not addressing while in the barracks, I was addressing while one leaves the base to go home. The focus was on why does that even matter? The Man was butchered either way. If this were to happen here in the States, an armed Civilian with a carry and conceal permit could have possibly saved this Man/s life. Instead of a couple of females passing by who had the courage to confront and talk to the murderer, maybe a human beings life could have been saved? ~$heopleNation



The times an armed citizen in the US with a concealed carry weapon acts in such a way and prevents a crime or saves a life - a strangers or their own - are not everyday occurrences. In order for your fairytale thinking to be effective, everyone would need to be carrying, not just a very small number. So many if's, possibles and wishful thinking on your part I fear.

The whole idea behind this thread was to address one segment, an incredibly small one, from being able to carry weapons for self protection, as opposed to the wider community. Sadly it seems to have been turned into "Brits live in fear and have no rights" mud-fest from across the pond where, if we believe some of these comments, everyone is armed and alert, vigilant and gung-ho and ready to fight off the Muslim hordes ready to descend on them at any moment (according to their best friend Mr. Nutty-yahoo, that nice Jewish Gentleman from the only democracy in the Middle East).

The fact remains that we have no need for armed groups to fight off those mythical hordes of Muslims, you know, the ones Fox News says now control entire cities.
Are there people out there who dislike Jews? Of course there are. Same as there are groups who dislike a gay person, or a Scot, or a West Bromwich Albion supporter.
Do people write nasty and insulting things about the people or groups they dislike? Once again, of course they do and yes, sometimes they will act violently towards the object of their hatred. However, those times are few and far between and are not an excuse for armed protection or special treatment, however much they skew figures to show they have a special case!



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