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originally posted by: mc_squared
At the rate things are going, the Earth in the coming decades could cease to be a “safe operating space” for human beings. That is the conclusion of a new paper published Thursday in the journal Science by 18 researchers trying to gauge the breaking points in the natural world.
Paper (Subscription req'd):
Planetary boundaries: Guiding human development on a changing planet
Scientists: Human activity has pushed Earth beyond four of nine ‘planetary boundaries’
The paper contends that we have already crossed four “planetary boundaries.” They include the extinction rate; deforestation; the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere; and the flow of nitrogen and phosphorous (used on land as fertilizer) into the ocean.
“What the science has shown is that human activities — economic growth, technology, consumption – are destabilizing the global environment,” said Will Steffen, who holds appointments at the Australian National University and the Stockholm Resilience Center and is the lead author of the paper.
This is pretty heavy stuff, the sort of dire doom porn you hear coming from conspiracy sites all the time - except it's coming from mainstream scientists, not some tinfoil youtube channel. (Of course this likely means the tinfoil crowd will now officially declare it doom porn - you know, nothing but "alarmism" designed to scare you so you stop paying attention to Planet X or Agenda 21 or whatever)...
But the fact is the majority of this information is self-explanatory: we are gouging this planet at every turn, extracting its resources at a completely unsustainable rate. Anyone can see this for themselves, in the reckless depletion of our fish stocks, rainforests, etc. It's not exactly breaking news. Yet there are very powerful people on this planet who are very invested in making sure we pay no mind to this
gorilla in the roomproblem because they are getting ridiculously wealthy off of it.
That's why this new paper is a great example of what I think is far and away the BIGGEST conspiracy we face today - summed up by the struggle between sustainability and greed, but highlighted publicly by the PR battle being waged by industry against environmental science (and common sense).
In light of that, I have no doubt there will be a lot of deflection and hyperbole targeted at this latest "doom porn" from the scientists, but there is a very simple quote at the end of the WP article that puts thingss into perspective:
“There’s a lot of emotion involved in this. If you think about it, the American ethic is, ‘The sky’s the limit.’ And here you have people coming on and saying, no it isn’t, the Earth’s the limit,”
originally posted by: planetyeck
Greed, corruption and more greed. The younger generation should be pissed the #$*! off at what we're creating for them. To be honest, the only thing that can save this planet is a few good EMPs in the right place to send us all back into the stone age. Earth would be a paradise if it weren't for those damn humans.
You claim I am presenting memes, junk science and lies.
Your remark regarding the balance between natural sources of co2 being in balance with their own sinks is bunk. They, much like our climate, have NEVER been in balance, which is why there is a constant up and down cycle coupled with periodic net increases and decreases that, at times, exceed the previous comparable period. How do you explain that?
In fact, ice cores show us that there is now more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than there has been in the last 420,000 years.
The scientific method is just that. One forms an hypothesis, tests it against observable phenomena and if the predicted phenomena matches observed then the hypothesis is correct and we can move on to theory. If the predicted phenomena does not match obeservations then ... ooops.. hypothesis is wrong. In the case of current climate models, they have all failed.
originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Yup, except, its not "doom porn," because it is well studied, well researched, and well supported by data.
I study and work on these issues in international development.
Other people need to start listening to the science, not their own fear of science or desire to feel comfortable about human sustainability.
Yet there are very powerful people on this planet who are very invested in making sure we pay no mind to this gorilla in the room problem because they are getting ridiculously wealthy off of it.
originally posted by: LewsTherinThelamon
a reply to: MALBOSIA
Give me ONE realistic scenario that will turn us off our present course of consumption and pollution that we call "growth."
The Venus Project
originally posted by: randyvs
WTF happened was that whole vision of the future crap
played a dark roll in keeping us asleep and dreaming. I see this
as intentional to at least some degree, because the rich, do not
come to be mega-rich by being stupid. And the mega rich, do not
cease thinking or being intelligent, just because they are mega rich.
What do you mean?