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The progression from Law to Grace, Why and the relationship of Faith and Works

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posted on Jan, 15 2015 @ 08:58 PM
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This thread will attempt to show the progression from the Law to Grace, the reason Why and the relationship of Faith and Works.

The Law, The point of the Bar Mitzvah at the 13th birthday it's the time you become accountable to the Law, the Whole Law. It is and was possible to adhere to the whole law. The only things that Israel can't do is sacrifice at an alter to their lord, but I am sure their must exist followers of Moses who are blameless in the Law. You can read the Law 1000 times, but 1000 times you will be forced to think about the Law and its various requirements and not about the Light.

A man can obey the law without finding the Light within. Therefore the Light does not come because you obey the Law, but because you sacrifice yourself for humanity, your faith that leads to Godly works is the place where you find salvation, Nirvana within. No one can teach you the Tao you have to feel it for yourself. The Tao is the Light. How can you find a perfect Light unless someone comes to deliver the message? You are not sinners bound to Satan, You are those who overcome sin, you are children and brothers to the Light, and children of God the Father, who created the Light so that you might find God(Love).

Grace, your sins were promised forgiven 2000 years ago , before you were even born, so do not boast that God Loves you more than he Loves another. Those in the light do not believe in Zionism, those in the Light come to serve humanity. One man cannot tell another man they are saved, only the heart and mind know if they are working together. The spirit knows who wanders into the darkness, and God does not talk to sinners, Repent so you can hear the Lord.

Faith, can you hear perfection calling? If perfection Lives within you, If the One who Lives within you is greater than the one who is in the world, If God is with us who can stand against the Light? The narrow path of Light is the only path that leads to perfection. DO YOU HEAR perfection calling? The Light within, and the mind agreeing, Amen, we can overcome because THE LIGHT IS PERFECT.

Works, Look in the mirror and follow the Light until you overcome whatever keeps you in darkness, Walk the path of the Enlightened. Those in the Light.

Help others when you can but always know that you have freewill and you can always choose the Light, Christ Jesus as the one who saves you from sin, by taking it away from you. The circumcision of the heart from selfish desires. Sacrifice your future for humanity and your children will not only prosper but they will do the same, and our grandchildren will continue to do the same. And by the 3rd of 4th generation our minds shall have been cleansed and the world renewed. - Amen




posted on Jan, 15 2015 @ 09:20 PM
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What about the people before 2,000 years ago? Where are they if their sins weren't forgiven yet? In hell, heaven, purgatory?

Faith is trust in something, how do you trust or have faith in someone if good works are not present already? Would you trust someone who kills someone for no reason? Or do you only trust in those who first help others? If so, good works are the determining factor in faith, not the other way around.

Evil works result in the loss of faith in someone, good works result in a gain of faith in someone. Very simple concept. There is no faith without first having works. My example should make it clear to anyone with a discerning mind.

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posted on Jan, 15 2015 @ 09:58 PM
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'Cause they're calling, calling, calling me home
Calling, calling, calling home
You show the lights that stop me turn to stone
You shine it when I'm alone

Home, home
Light, lights, lights, lights
Light, lights, lights, lights





posted on Jan, 15 2015 @ 10:37 PM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
The Light has been within men since the begging of time. Their are no excuses the laws are written on our hearts and minds. Everyone is judged according to what they knew, what they believed, and what they did. God does not play favorites.

Faith in God, must come before you can work for God. If you have no faith in God, you can only work for yourself, if you believe that doing good is good for self than you will do good. If not you will sin and fall into darkness.

As for faith in men, if a man has no works his faith is dead. But I don't place my faith in men, but in the hands of the Living God.

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posted on Jan, 15 2015 @ 10:46 PM
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What does faith come from though? Love for God and others. If you believe faith is greater than love then you are contradicting Jesus, Paul, and others in the NT. You have it backwards. Love is greater than faith, love comes first which then produces good works, and thus faith is produced in the minds of those doing and witnessing said acts. Your mind is still trapped within the books and words instead of seeing the thing that produced those books and words, which is life. You are that life and you are the LIGHT, do you not see it? No, you believe in the false light, the one that cannot be seen with the eyes, it is actually darkness masquerading as light.

No disrespect meant brother.
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posted on Jan, 15 2015 @ 10:54 PM
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Love is greater, our faith is based on the fact that he first loved us. If he doesn't Love us than our faith is dead anyway.



posted on Jan, 15 2015 @ 11:06 PM
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Where was this love in the OT? Pitting his children against each other in massacres and wars, breaking his own commandments, making a deal with Satan against Job, ordering the slaughter of infants and children, etc. etc. etc.

If you can justify that then you can justify ISIS and whoever was responsible for 9/11 (not that you do). As far as we know, God made a deal with Satan and made us suffer and we're suffering right now from it. Why would he do this? He cannot be in the presence of sin yet he makes a deal with sin itself? He ordered sin to take place? Where is the love in him if he makes deals with sin and Satan?

Where is the connection between love and faith? What brings those two together? Works are the bridge between the two. Jesus acknowledges this and so does James. Without works faith is dead. No works, no faith, meaning works are greater than faith. Paul says faith alone without works is enough. You agree with Paul, not James and Jesus.


Gospel of Thomas
(12) The disciples said to Jesus, "We are aware that you will depart from us. Who will be our leader?" Jesus said to him, "No matter where you come it is to James the Just that you shall go, for whose sake heaven and earth have come to exist."


James says works, Paul says faith. Which one do you choose?



posted on Jan, 16 2015 @ 12:13 AM
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Can a man obey the 10 commandments and never know the Light? YES

If a man can obey the 10 commandments and never know the Light than the Law does not teach the Light. Obeying the Law does not teach the internal Light. A man can obey the commandments and still have no connection to what is within.

A man must have faith in the Light to produce works for the Light. The Law read 1 million times does not bring the Light into their hearts. The only effect that the Law can have apart from the Light is Self-Righteous.

They are both right, because they are talking about 2 completely different concepts.

One is talking about claiming to be righteous because you obey the 10 commandments. The other is saying that if you believe in the Light but have no works your faith is either weak or dead. The only way to shine your Light is through your deeds.

The Law creates a type of self-righteousness. Faith in the Light declares that none are righteous except The Light and our Father.
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posted on Jan, 16 2015 @ 12:22 AM
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Can a man obey the TWO commandments and still not understand the light? Yes. The two commandments can easily be followed if you try. Love God and your neighbor as yourself.

You are accepting without question.



Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.


You are not testing the spirits within the bible, only accepting and then basing interpretation off of that acceptance. You are believing without testing.



posted on Jan, 16 2015 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: sacgamer25

Can a man obey the TWO commandments and still not understand the light? Yes. The two commandments can easily be followed if you try. Love God and your neighbor as yourself.

You are accepting without question.



Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.


You are not testing the spirits within the bible, only accepting and then basing interpretation off of that acceptance. You are believing without testing.


When you read the interpretation that I have already completed, but was not allowed to post, then you will believe that Paul was not Anti-Christ. Until you read the interpretation it may be impossible for you to believe.



posted on Jan, 16 2015 @ 05:11 AM
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Thou shalt not covet . = not a work ,but a desire . Faith comes first and works ,external, and the mind repents and no longer walks or thinks in the old ways ,because you have become a new creature (creation) in Christ . a reply to: sacgamer25




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