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Originally posted by The_Final
But some of the supporters of determind said that everything that has a cause has an effect, being true they said means that no matter what we do there will be some form of reaction so that we are living in a world that we are sort of just riding on ( I don't really understand what they mean't)
Originally posted by Croat56
Well we have free will. Like I can choose to type A or B. See right there i chose to type them both. Now thats free will right there. I had two choices and I chose a 3rd.
Originally posted by The_Final
Good idea The only problem is sometimes there is not always a third choice.
Yeah I got what your saying parrhesia thanks.
Originally posted by parrhesia
And rememeber; doing nothing is still an reaction or action depending on your state of mind and your intentions.
Originally posted by The_Final
I was once told that there is no such thing as action or reaction since they are not solid ideas, its long and should be shoved in the science theard but it has something to do with how you are viewing something-in Special Realitivty.
Originally posted by The_Final
Sure. I thought I might get that. Ok here's how he explained it to me so I don't know if it is 100% true but here goes: If I were to flip a light switch on the light that was attached to the switch would go on. But if a person going at the speed of light would first see the light go on, and then me flipping the switch. So his point was that at first the action was the flip of the switch and the reaction was th light turning on. But when an oberserver saw it happening (when he or she was traveling at the speed of light) the light was the action and me flipping the switch was the reaction, see I don't really know how that works, but it is a good example anways. Does this help?
EDIT: I am so sorry for forgetting the compatablism, that is what I have come to believe too. This happened in my Philosophy class so we just finished up the men you have mentioned, this is why this disscusion began.
[edit on 14-12-2004 by The_Final]
[edit on 14-12-2004 by The_Final]
Originally posted by parrhesia
Originally posted by The_Final
Good idea The only problem is sometimes there is not always a third choice.
Yeah I got what your saying parrhesia thanks.
There can be a third choice, if only we stop to think about our potential actions.
In so many cases it is not a sitation where it is A or B, but we may see it as such.
You've just got to STOP; don't react, but think.
There is something else.
And rememeber; doing nothing is still an reaction or action depending on your state of mind and your intentions.
Originally posted by aSEEKER
Then there is Newton's Third Law which states that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
My own view is that inaction or non-reaction is as much an action, as reaction. I believe that it is impossible to isolate oneself from a situation to the point where you would just want to remain mum.
I also feel that it is more important to take a stance and justify oneself, rather than to just sit on the fence, be non-commital and see what everyone else is doing.
[edit on 14/12/04 by aSEEKER]
Originally posted by ben91069
In Christianity and the God of the Hebrews (old testament) when God enables the Hebrews free from Egypt, the Bible quotes that God hardens Pharoahs heart. What is the Bible saying that God has control of our emotions? This may be the case, but it seems that he can still control how we feel and think. If he has the ability to do this and still does it, then free will is somthing that can be controlled by God - which is not free will at all unless you can control all of your emotions.