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Trans-Neptunian Objects Point To Existence Of Two Or More Unknown Planets

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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 10:57 AM
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I've been reading this thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Sedna is massively eccentric. I hadn't realized. It's eccentricity may be be due to another star or an already-known planet in our system, but it seems unlikely to be natural, considering the general lack of eccentricity in the solar system. Saying that, some comet orbits look like this. I don't see that Sedna's eccentricity is proof of unknown bodies. Couldn't Jupiter have done this? We need to map more outer system bodies and observe their orbits.
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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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There's another Sedna-like object discovered in 2013:

en.wikipedia.org...

It's wildly eccentric. Aphelion 446 AU, Perihelion 80.5 AU. Something disturbed this one's orbit,too. The plot thickens.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian




The potential undiscovered worlds discussed by Cambridge and Complutense scientists "would be more massive than Earth," researchers said, and would lie so far away that they'd be extremely difficult to locate with current scientific instruments.


I always takes them so long to catch up with me and those who looked at the evidence and accepted it the first time around.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: stormbringer1701

Great post, sparked some flights of the imagination, I love pondering stuff like this, thanks for firing my brain up a gear.

My feelings on the subject are that by now - and even ignoring what appeared to be a valid set of data on the matter provided by the member whose name must not be spoken - at least one faction from within Mankind has mastered the design & power challenges of interstellar, possibly even intergalactic travel I am satisfied from my own research across a broad range of subjects, that we as a society are being artificially held back from the progress available to us, according to the wishes of the elitist few. Our current societal weave may be considered - by the 'breakaway' factions - to be a relic, ranging from quaint to horrendously impoverished. They may look upon us as being held in an age which could be referred to, relative in terms that we ourselves might refer to others in third world nations, as 'medieval'.

The reason I'm so convinced that we're being held in an artificial 'past era' is due to a host of observations, research projects & personal connections - with a multitude of experiences that could in truth be categorised as 'totally woo', apparently (in some cases) directly in response to my attempts to furnish questions with answers (the questions relate to significantly discomfiting details. lack of details, 'wrong/ glitch' details, concerning my own origins & spreading out to the nature of Reality & my involvement herein.

Principal consideration, however, is that the work of Tesla was stolen, hidden, ridiculed & suppressed - for long enough that people moved on, enabling a new generation of high-calibre scientists to continue to work on developing his ideas and inventions, making certain adaptations & taking it all to the next level.

Tesla himself stated unequivocally that once scientists began to study the properties & capabilities/ practical applications of EM field or plasma-based technologies, that we as a race would make more progress in ten years of development than we had achieved in the past century, relatively speaking. It's a near-exponential curve at the moment - the singularity is approaching, travelling back in time & falling from above to greet us as we move forwards. Hopefully we don't get smushed when it hits us,

In closing, I'm convinced that there is much, much more to our solar system than we are being told about - and the usual debunking about how it couldn't be hidden from mission control staff can be solved by a specialist and top-secret editing suite where the live feeds run in one minute before airing to the rest of the ground staff. Filters could be applied,aunto brush-out tools & so forth.

Look forward to getting back involved with this forum, excellent OP and some thoughtful, astute comments.


FITO.




posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 08:17 PM
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I was just about to make a thread on this. The Huffington Post has been picking up on it too. So good work OP.

There are a few things I need to look at further, and there are threads that go back to, 2007 and 2011 on a similar discovery topic already here at ATS..the 'snow white' planet is one of them. It will be interesting to read up on this.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 08:40 PM
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Alright. Planet X "researchers" and enthusiasts, here's a question you don't seem to be asking, let alone anyone else for that matter. If all the depictions of a "great destroyer" in ancient texts WASN'T a planetary body, I'm curious to hear your opinions on what it was. It seems somewhat obvious to me that a multitude of culture DID witness something that created great chaos in the heavens, and on the Earth.
We can also agree that our planet flooded in an absolutely cataclysmic fashion, the likes of which has never been see by modern man. So what caused all of these things to occur? Instead of focusing Planet X or something the likes of, perhaps we should start bringing up other possibilities? Until they confirm it's existence (Planet X, Nibiru, etc.), I will feel more and more as though everyone is beating a dead horse.
For instance, that crazy stupid head over at ZetaTalk (which I believe is COMPLETE horse crap as a whole) who predicted it to pass by in what, 2003, and then yet again in 2012? Like come on. COME on. This woman channels Zeta Reticulans? Yeah, and I was Edgar Cayce in my past life. What a reliable source that site is lmfao.
I like how when a prediction goes wrong, someone always has to post a useless video about how the "Galactic Federation of Light" intervened and saved us from CERTAIN cataclysm. That one genius, IndianInTheBox, or toilet, or whatever his name is, said comet Elenin was a Pleiadian starship.
Are you catching my drift? These are NOT the droids you're looking for lol they are about as credible as a Magic 8 Ball!!!!!!
So, let's start asking some REAL questions, shall we? Starting with alternative causes other than Nibiru for ancient global catastrophes. Good start I'd say.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 10:40 PM
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there's been a lot of news stories about it in the media this past month or so

space exploration might just be getting restarted here for the better



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 11:13 PM
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indeed! i was just about to post that before you ninja'd me.


if there is a big ol' planet out there and it is some distance into the kuiper belt or trans-kuiper void or even inside the boundary of the most generous estimate of the Oort cloud this means we will go interstellar even if it's just a little toe in the water.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: stormbringer1701

The problem is stated in your last sentence. What instrument to use? Even a super earth would be very hard to see in visible light, if not impossible. Too far away from the sun to reflect enough light. Also, too far away to be warm enough to be seen in thermal infrared.



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 01:26 AM
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originally posted by: PrinceRupertsDog
a reply to: stormbringer1701

The problem is stated in your last sentence. What instrument to use? Even a super earth would be very hard to see in visible light, if not impossible. Too far away from the sun to reflect enough light. Also, too far away to be warm enough to be seen in thermal infrared.
we can detect nearly ambient temperature Y Class brown dwarves over 7 light years away and some of those may be 98 degrees F or maybe even lower. and the thing is if there is dust in the way even the thermal emissions of higher temperature brown dwarfs may be masked. I think we are looking for a super earth really close when compared to that. and a super earth might have as much thorium as earth or more. having more mass its inner core would be slow to freeze in the first place but with enough thorium and uranium it might not freeze ever. talking about it's core here not it's surface. it would be very cold but warmer than say vesta or pluto or charon or any of the TNOs.

say its a 5 earth mass super planet -naturally the molten melty core would be bigger too. and it would have more uranium and thorium or at least logically it should without considering any other contributing conditions to it's formation; big glowy thing covered by a little thin crust.

and if you don't agree then:

en.wikipedia.org...


WISE 0855−0714 (full designation WISE J085510.83−071442.5[3]) is a (sub-)brown dwarf 2.31±0.08 parsecs (7.53+0.27
−0.25 light-years)[2] from Earth announced in April 2014 by Kevin Luhman using data from the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE).[1] As of 2014 it has the third-highest proper motion (8130±22 mas/yr[2]) after Barnard's Star (10300 mas/yr) and Kapteyn's Star (8600 mas/yr).[3] As of 2014 it also has the fourth-largest parallax (433±15 mas[2]) of any known star or brown dwarf, meaning it is the fourth closest extrasolar system to the Sun.[1] It is also the coldest object of its type found in interstellar space, having a temperature between 225 to 260 K (−48 to −13 °C; −55 to 8 °F).[1]


do you see that temperature range there? -55 to +8 deg F! and we detected it with the WISE Telescope AN INFRARED CAMERA TELESCOPE THINGIE



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 01:47 AM
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Rogue planet Heat Retention (From da Wiki)

en.wikipedia.org...



Retention of heat in interstellar space[edit]
In 1998, David J. Stevenson theorized[13] that some planet-sized objects drift in the vast expanses of cold interstellar space and could possibly sustain a thick atmosphere that would not freeze out. He proposes that atmospheres are preserved by the pressure-induced far-infrared radiation opacity of a thick hydrogen-containing atmosphere.

It is thought that, during planetary-system formation, several small protoplanetary bodies may be ejected from the forming system.[14] With the reduced ultraviolet light that would normally strip the lighter components from an atmosphere, due to its increasing distance from the parent star, the planet's predominantly hydrogen- and helium-containing atmosphere would be easily confined even by an Earth-sized body's gravity.[13]

It is calculated that, for an Earth-sized object at a kilobar hydrogen atmospheric pressures in which a convective gas adiabat has formed, geothermal energy from residual core radioisotope decay will be sufficient to heat the surface to temperatures above the melting point of water.[13] Thus, it is proposed that interstellar planetary bodies with extensive liquid-water oceans may exist. It is further suggested that these planets are likely to remain geologically active for long periods, providing a geodynamo-created protective magnetosphere and possible sea floor volcanism which could provide an energy source for life.[13] Thus humans could theoretically live on a planet without a sun, although food sources would be limited. The author admits these bodies would be difficult to detect due to the intrinsically weak thermal microwave radiation emissions emanating from the lower reaches of the atmosphere, although later research suggests[15] that reflected solar radiation and far-IR thermal emissions may be detectable if one were to pass within 1000 AU of Earth.

A study of simulated planet ejection scenarios has suggested that around five percent of Earth-sized planets with Moon-sized natural satellites would retain their satellites after ejection. A large satellite would be a source of significant geological tidal heating.[16]


there you go. they may haz heat but at a price of losing their oxygen and nitrogen.

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posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 12:29 PM
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there you go. they may haz heat but at a price of losing their oxygen and nitrogen.


While the first bit is certainly interesting, thinking about the possible results of tidal heating has my piqued my imagination.



posted on Jan, 19 2015 @ 12:43 PM
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Just a bump for Disk Detective:


WISE is a NASA mission surveying the whole sky in infrared. This project is looking at stars to find dusty debris disks, similar to our asteroid field. These disks suggest that these stars are in the early stages of forming planetary systems. Learning more about these stars can tell us how our Solar System formed.


I spent quite a few hours on the original Zooniverse projects Galaxy Zoo and Moon Zoo but I see there are now a couple dozen projects now and they're not all related to cosmology.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 04:37 AM
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Thank you

Is it possible that the impossible human evolutionary jump came from a life form on an undiscovered planet in our solar system?
The answer is Yes.
An intelligent life form may have evolved on a planet near a sub brown dwarf far beyond Pluto. A sub brown dwarf is difficult to discover, it could give warmth to surrounding planets. It could have a magnetic field, an atmosphere, water or methane ... all is possible.
Update 16 January 2015: More and more scientists seem to be convinced about the existence of such undiscovered planets. www.nbcnews.com...

There are too many indications ... some tens of years old ... some maybe hundreds of years old ... that point to the existence of undiscovered planet. Sitchin is a name that lost all credit even by a lot of us. But I am sure the man was right (for an important part). The part where he said that there is an undiscovered planet where the so called gods came from.
See www.evawaseerst.be... (read the site and you will understand my opinion about the subject, at the end of the chapter you can go further /the red dots are in English)
Note: If you believe NASA and the real rulers of this planet would give us all their information you are wrong. No doubt in my mind about that.

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edit on 21-1-2015 by zandra because: I forgot the note



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 04:45 AM
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we can detect nearly ambient temperature Y Class brown dwarves over 7 light years away and some of those may be 98 degrees F or maybe even lower


98F is a blazing furnace in the infrared compared to the freezing cold temperatures expected on the surface of a "super Earth" several hundred AUs from the Sun. I do not expect planets of this type to have any kind of measurable internal heat source, so the amount of infrared energy coming from them would be low.



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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I just wanted to say that our galaxy, Red Sagittarius or something along that line, is still in a collision movement with the Milky Way, our slowly becoming new galaxy.

I'm not near being an amateur on this, but I remember reading about it right here on ATS with links to scientific articles.

So these other planets, being like some comets on a weird orbit compared to the rest of the solar system are more than likely coming from the Milky Way.

Maybe our solar system is the result of a collision between two older solar systems?

Very interesting subject(s)! )



posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 05:40 PM
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originally posted by: Mogget

we can detect nearly ambient temperature Y Class brown dwarves over 7 light years away and some of those may be 98 degrees F or maybe even lower


98F is a blazing furnace in the infrared compared to the freezing cold temperatures expected on the surface of a "super Earth" several hundred AUs from the Sun. I do not expect planets of this type to have any kind of measurable internal heat source, so the amount of infrared energy coming from them would be low.
did you miss this?




WISE 0855−0714 (full designation WISE J085510.83−071442.5[3]) is a (sub-)brown dwarf 2.31±0.08 parsecs (7.53+0.27
−0.25 light-years)[2] from Earth announced in April 2014 by Kevin Luhman using data from the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE).[1] As of 2014 it has the third-highest proper motion (8130±22 mas/yr[2]) after Barnard's Star (10300 mas/yr) and Kapteyn's Star (8600 mas/yr).[3] As of 2014 it also has the fourth-largest parallax (433±15 mas[2]) of any known star or brown dwarf, meaning it is the fourth closest extrasolar system to the Sun.[1] It is also the coldest object of its type found in interstellar space, having a temperature between 225 to 260 K (−48 to −13 °C; −55 to 8 °F).[1]


did you miss the subsequent post on heat retention in rogue planets?



posted on Jan, 23 2015 @ 04:56 AM
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No, I didn't miss that. I just don't think that any undiscovered icy "super Earth" planets will have an internal heat source of any appreciable magnitude. However, I am quite prepared to be proved wrong should one be detected.
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