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Pope Francis I: Free Speech Limit: respect to beliefs & dignity, no tolerance to verbal harrassment

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posted on Jan, 15 2015 @ 05:59 PM
a reply to: Pitou

Dear Pitou, excuse me but I respectfully disagree of some of your statements, let me explain why?

There are many ways to get the attention of the people, some of them show definitively great talent, but others unfortunately are just he expression of lack of it. When somebody believes that the way to socialize and give air to breath to the society is to offend the honor of others instead to show the minimum of intelligence to understand that human relationships begin with mutual respect, it is falling in the level of grave mediocrity, almost negligence.

Jokes, and humor must be constrained, at least in the massive communication media, to the respect to others honor, and a minimum sense of decency and that is what we have lost in the western world long time ago. You can make a joke with almost everything, but it is absurd to do it by insulting for instance the mother of other person, only if you are in a so bad moral condition that you yourself will tolerate that somebody insult your own mother's dignity is that such standards of humor can be explained, but never accepted.

Religion is part of the Cultural patrimony , as any other tradition, in which people born, even the atheistic and agnostic ones that inherit that attitude with respect to life are conscious of that. When somebody makes mockery of a religion or the personal scale of values of others is entering in an area that extremely sensitive and that attains directly with others sense of honor or cultural identity.

It is sad to see that in our time the quality of humor has descended to the level of vulgarity, in some cases we see even in the TV clear allusions to an obscene way of thinking. The great humorists of History never needed to use insult or obscenity to makes other laugh. Charlie Chaplin, Laurel and Hardy, Bob Hope, Jerry Lewis, Abott and Costello, Sammy Davis, Lucile ball never used them, because they were well aware of the abuse that represents with respect to the public, but those were times in which ethics and professional performance had higher standards than now. Even the three Stooges were never mad enough in the screen to do such a thing.

The people of the French Magazine knew perfectly that they were playing with fire , it is necessary to never have listened about Salman Rushdie to ignore it. No body is here doing an apology of murdering, but there are many ways to kill people and to damage their self esteem is one of the must rude and stressful that exist.

The law even says that this kind of systematic harassment constitute mental cruelty and moral damage and both are at least a kind of indictable offenses.


The Angel of Lightness

edit on 1/15/2015 by The angel of light because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 15 2015 @ 10:28 PM
Religions are an out-dated and barbaric system of control. It is necessary to phase these systems out of existence. These systems of control compete for followers, declaring themselves to be the 'true religion', in many cases to the point of violent conflicts. There is no place on this Earth for religion, and to be clear religion is diametrically opposed to spirituality and God.

posted on Jan, 16 2015 @ 08:11 AM
a reply to: The angel of light

However in this instance pedophilia and pornography have nothing to do with the situation.

This is about removing homeless children from the street so that they are not seen by said Pope or mass media networks coving his visit. Combined with the Popes new view that our right to freedom speech has limits this is hypocrisy incarnate!

Dont you agree?

posted on Jan, 16 2015 @ 09:23 AM
Well I must say something on this, in general, I very much disagree with what I think the pope is saying. Yes, we should speak in kindness to one another as Christians, however not all are christians so not all will speak such a way - and sometimes, even if it might hurt someone, the only way to save them is to speak the truth.

Kindness at some point has a limit.. I think its limit is prior to sitting back and allow the murder of innocents - no matter what they say.

And for the record, I am now and have always been against murder. Its wrong, so when people run around doing it, no matter their excuse for it, something needs said.

If it hurts their feelings, so be it.
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posted on Jan, 16 2015 @ 02:54 PM
The Pope is right. I'll get blasted for this, but in my opinion:

3. Depictions of the prophet Mohammed are forbidden by the Muslim religion

Forbidden to Muslims.

When you provoke another person, whether about their mother or their religion, you're risking a beatdown. Period.

You provoke with words and pictures retaliation should be in words and pictures not death! Who in their right mind would believe that an offended person over their Mother being insulted or their religion being insulted would be killed. People keep talking like multiple murders is a "normal" is not!

posted on Jan, 16 2015 @ 04:07 PM
a reply to: Char-Lee

Thats the thing through only Sunni Muslims have a problem with Muhammad being depicted. Shia Muslims have no such proclivity's regarding the depiction of any prophet, Muhammad included.

So the cartoon in question is not offensive to all Muslims, just the extremist xenophobic religious intolerant variety that wish nothing more than a return to what amount to a 17th century Caliphate.

posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 09:47 PM
This came up on another forum...

Basically, some native speakers were saying the translations were... Off. The general consensus was that he was saying "OK, you can say my mother is a terrible person, but don't be shocked when I hit you." which I agree with in the spirit of the words.

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