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Deserter Part II: Like a cabinet member, I resign!

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posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 02:56 PM
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Pablo Paredes has chosen to present a conscientious objection to serving in war. On Monday of this week, he chose not to join his ship in San Diego that was headed to the Persian Gulf.



"Like a cabinet member, I resign"



www.swiftsmartveterans.com...

Unlike Jeremy Hinzman, Pablo Paredes is staying put and putting up a good fight for that matter. The military is calling him a deserter and a fugitive, but Pablo insists he's only following the footsteps of his boses in the white house.

Burn him or praise him? Whatya say, shall we decide?




posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 03:04 PM
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He is a derserter. He signed up for the military and there is a very specific oath he took. He clearly should never of taken that oath if he thought he would disagree with his commander in chief enough to betray it.

Now I say this as somebody who doeasnt believe in this particular war or like GWB. He should never have signed up...

[edit on 14-12-2004 by skippytjc]

[edit on 14-12-2004 by skippytjc]



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 03:20 PM
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A thing that needs to be kept in mind about this, is whether or not these cabinet members were "asked nicely to leave". They may have been going out the door, and instead of being "Fired", they were asked to resign.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 03:28 PM
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Absolutely a deserter. No ifs, ands, or buts IMO. He more than likely joined when things were "peaceful". Like so many who take advantage of the system. I don't mean that in a negative way. When I say that they take advantage of the system, I mean that they use the benefits of the military to their advantage. College tuition funding, learn a trade, learn disciplined habits, all the while getting paid, and having your room and board paid for.

As soon as it got tough though, he bailed. Trying to come up with a catchy little T-shirt phrase............
He is a disgrace. He slaps in the face everyone that has ever served, or fallen.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 03:36 PM
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I was sat reading this and was wondering if this is how the Anti-Vietnam protests started, with one or two Soldiers and Sailors refusing to fight. Did it escalate from small protests like this into something bigger? I wasn't born until '69 so have no memory of how the Anti- War protests started.

By the way this Sailor is a deserter and should be treated as such.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by superdude
He is a disgrace. He slaps in the face everyone that has ever served, or fallen.


i whole-heartedly agree. whilst i will not hide the fact that i am totally against this war, i have many members of my family who have served in the forces, and it annoys me to see someone taking advantage of public opinion to abandon their duties.

even if the guy was doing it in the name of peace, it doesn't excuse him. a professional gets on with what they're paid to do

superdude is 100% correct. he is a disgrace.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 03:43 PM
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You all know that he wasn't stationed in Iraq, right? His job was just to ferry soldiers to Iraq. He isn't refusing to fight, he's refusing to take soldiers to fight. That's pretty amazing, to believe in something that strongly. I admire him for that (and here's the 'but') but there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. He's doing it the wrong way. He should use the proper channels to seek his conscientious objector status.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 06:26 PM
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I have to say this man shouldn't have deserted seeing as he signed up for service, we don't have a draft so theres no excuse. Of course it's not like those idiots in D.C. are any better.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 06:32 PM
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I find these situations dfificult.

I can totally see his reasoning, yet I can't seem to get past the fact that he did take an oath and he should have considered such things prior to joining.

Case inpoint:

I was at the demostration in Ottawa, Ontario, where hinzman spoke. It was troubling for me.
Most people around me were saying "Deserters are welcome here (in Canada)". but I couldn't bring myself to agree and say the same, because I disagree.
i think that prior to taking the oath each and every soldier should think of the possble sitation they might be called toward. A change of heart is not an excu se to void an oath they have taken.

Soldiers and potential soldiers should seriously consider the circumstances they may be put into prior to taking such an oath; a change of feelings afterwards is not justification to abandon their duty.



posted on Dec, 14 2004 @ 08:08 PM
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Condemning military duty deserters is one of the methods of continuing illegal military activities when all indicators paint a wartime situation as one brought about by lies and continued illegal actions.

The only type of military people I support at this point in time are those who are smart enough to know what they are doing is wrong and getting out of the situation by whatever means possible. Staying in this fight for the sake of "duty" is still being an accessory to the crime.

The few men who do stand up for what is right will always be maligned, vilified, and made examples of. I salute them in their morally courageous, yet sadly futile efforts.



posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 09:42 PM
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When you join the Armed Forces of the United States you forfeit the freedoms you will die for. More and more supposedly free americans are getting drafted back into the services they left. They are truely no longer free nor a volunteer force.

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posted on Dec, 15 2004 @ 10:11 PM
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Mr. Smartypants is about to get a reality check. He should have read the fine print. Missing movement in a time of war is by itself an offense punishable by death, never mind desertion. Resignation.



posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 08:10 AM
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i whole-heartedly agree. whilst i will not hide the fact that i am totally against this war, i have many members of my family who have served in the forces, and it annoys me to see someone taking advantage of public opinion to abandon their duties.


Unfortunately he probably signed up thinking that if he ever went war he would be defending his country like allied soldiers in WWII, however as we can see this is not the case.

An oath doesnt mean a thing when you are asked to participate in illegal warfare condemned by international authority that has nothing to do with your countries safety. For a soldier to go along with such actions would be morally wrong. I say good on him, more soldiers should do this.



posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 10:35 AM
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Just curious how many of you calling this guy a coward have
served in the Armed Forces. According to the UCMJ
you have the right to object to fighting in a war you
do not believe in. He has legal right protest, if he
goes through the Military processes and then does
not go I will agree that he is a disgrace and a coward.

consciencious objectors are nothing new they've been
around since ceaser.

geo

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posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 10:40 AM
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Just curious how many of you calling this guy a coward have served in the military


Screaming Eagle here - 101st Airborne.
I never called him a coward - I called him a DISGRACE.

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posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 12:04 PM
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Kings Regiment here, UK Infantry Battalion. I didnt call him a coward i said he was a deserter.

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posted on Dec, 16 2004 @ 01:01 PM
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One cannot claim that he is a deserter, if he isn't in hiding and has followed proper procedure. If the military is actually officially classing him as a deserter, I'd bet that he made an error somewhere in his objector filings.



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