Mohammed Cartoon On next edition of Charlie Hebdo Cover

originally posted by: FlySolo
Good for them but there's something that's bothering me. If I made a painting or a cartoon of Mohammad in these trying times, stuck it in the ground and sat beside it in a chair, I think I would not only be surrounded by angry Muslims, but more importantly, angry white people with a higher sense of political correctness. Specifically, west end Vancouverites. I would be more afraid of the finger wagging holier than thou do gooders in my city than the Muslims. And then there's all the people who yell "FREEDOM" and feel we should not bow down to extremists yet no one is making their own cartoon and prancing around the street. Why not? Afraid of inciting violence? Because it's rude? Lack of taste?

What say you ATS. Especially all those who have participated in recent threads denouncing radical behaviors. Where's your cartoon?

We are a cartoon apparently. The whole of the west is a cartoon to these idiots.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Coincidentally, I just came across this just now. It may be off-topic just a tad but the answer for what you ask maybe found here. I'm not a religious man but, take notice. The power of forgiveness may go a little further than you think.

Ok but we are dealing with narcissistic psychopaths. As far as they are concerned there is nothing they need forgiveness for.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

Yeah, it's a tough one ain't it? what to do what to do...pacing back and forth twiddle thumbs, what to do...

I would have to agree with your posts. The arm'n arm marching in solidarity is an nice gesture, for all of us but the radicals aren't quaking in their boots that's for sure. Comical images of Mohammad is pointless, all though brave and gutsy to do it again but pointless.

The extremist will never quake in their boots. An armed conflict is their aim.

One of my mother's clients for years is a moderate Muslim and one day she asked her about this. She said there's only one way to stop them. A dictatorship. And that's coming from a Muslim. Something to think about. The world has gone bleeding heart with political correctness. They've forgotten about the the brutality of the past which has lead us to the freedoms we have. Make no mistake people, we are still just as brutal just we've learned to hide it.

She must be right because she's a muslim talking about muslims......rubbish.

The way to beat this is not armed conflict or dictatorships (armed control) but to have a society that does not tolerate the narrow minded language that is flowing from any community (currently muslim). Unfortunately we have had years of "overly politically correct" people (often white christian !!) thinking they are doing the right thing. Example : I'm an atheist and we just had "Christmas holidays" and in my mind it will always be "christmas holiday period" but oh no some morons have decided to rename it "happy holiday season". That is giving in to intolerance.

If anyone has difficulty in understanding the fine line between freedom of speech and offensive language think about this :

If you cannot change what is being ridiculed then it is wrong.

Thus :

Derogatory language, jokes and cartoons about race are wrong : People are born black,white,brown etc and cannot change.

Derogatory language,jokes and cartoons about religion are ok : Faith is a choice you can change it. If your faith is strong you can ignore it only the weak are offended.

originally posted by: 0bserver1
I think it will make the cartoonists immortal. Because allot of people are curious why almost a whole editorial office has been killed for these cartoons .. but attacking it for the second time seems out of the question if you ask me.

This was the second time Charlie Hebdo was attacked.

a reply to: Aliian
Agree except the last line. "Je Suis" means "I am" in french.

a reply to: Jonjonj

Sorry. I've been away for a while but I agree with your statement that 'people can understand how ridiculous the justification for killing has become' and will hopefully move on from such stupidness!!

It is rather childish IMO. Not the cartoon but the extreme views of a cartoon.

a reply to: FlySolo

That video was pretty powerful!!

I didn't know who to feel sorry for in the end.

originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

No, the extremists are looking at it as a win. They won't stop. Violence is the only way out of it. It's the only language that makes sense to them. Until people understand that, you'll have more of the same. Quit singing and grab a rifle.

Wrong.

Terrorism only wins if people feel terrorized.

Kill a bunch of people at Charlie for publishing some cartoons and they publish more the next week?

That's not a win.

What are they to do?

Stop making cartoons?

That's not a win either.

I think I would continue, otherwise you are conceding defeat and the extremists win.

a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

What they could do is employ a cartoonist who is 'Muslim' and have him/her draw the cartoons!

Its satirical remember. My interpretation is they are showing mohammed saying i forgive you coz according to what most people say islam is about The extremists should have 'forgiven' the artists (not that they needed forgiveness) and not murdered them. So yeah its their prophet doing what they should have done. Its meant to shame. It wont work though.

I'm pretty sure his head/turban together is intentionally shaped like an erect penis. Not sure what the implications of that may be, but important enough to note.

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: Aliian
Agree except the last line. "Je Suis" means "I am" in french.

Yes EXACTLY! You do realize that "I AM" is the name of GOD in the Bible?

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. -- Exodus 3:14

Then JESUS says,

I and my Father are one. -- John 10:30

So, all this is a play on words, their similarities, and only "JESUS" preaches "FORGIVENESS" etc...

That's JESUS shedding a tear in the pic.

a reply to: Aliian

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM

Said Sam I am, who doesn't like green eggs and ham. And Jesus turned to Peter and said, "I am the bread of life, and without me there shall be no salivation", and Peter turned to Jesus and said "What? I wasn't listening"

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a reply to: kngfc
Or not.

Look at this.

originally posted by: Aliian

originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: Aliian
Agree except the last line. "Je Suis" means "I am" in french.

Yes EXACTLY! You do realize that "I AM" is the name of GOD in the Bible?

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. -- Exodus 3:14

Then JESUS says,

I and my Father are one. -- John 10:30

So, all this is a play on words, their similarities, and only "JESUS" preaches "FORGIVENESS" etc...

That's JESUS shedding a tear in the pic.

Lol. Only on ATS...

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

No, the extremists are looking at it as a win. They won't stop. Violence is the only way out of it. It's the only language that makes sense to them. Until people understand that, you'll have more of the same. Quit singing and grab a rifle.

Wrong.

Terrorism only wins if people feel terrorized.

Kill a bunch of people at Charlie for publishing some cartoons and they publish more the next week?

That's not a win.

What are they to do?

Stop making cartoons?

That's not a win either.

I think I would continue, otherwise you are conceding defeat and the extremists win.

I think you misunderstood the post.

Dude said the terrorists are looking at this as a win. I said that this isn't a win because the terrorism didn't stop anything. You seem to be questioning my response and saying that you would continue making cartoons because if you dont you are letting the terrorists win. That's what I said.

a reply to: thorfourwinds

I find it an interesting combination of shapes. Do you not see it in the subject picture?