When will men tire of Hierarchal Governments?

For thousands of years we have been controlled by hierarchical governments, Imperialistic Monarchy to Democratic republics they are all the same. Elite's over subordinates, Sires over Naives when will we tire of these oppressive Governments and be rid of them?

The US in 1776 created the first non-hierarchical Government it was a co-equal Government meant to represent the people with elected officials who would represent them. For the first time man had a chance to be free and pursue his own direction in life, then the establishment of the bank in 1780, this killed all hope of that new styled governance from ever bearing fruit. Once the rich banking industry, as hierarchal as they come, was established by the 1830's, the co-equal governance was replaced with democratic hierarchal republic and once again man was placed under the control of the rich and the elite.

the founders of the United States of America had a dream where all men were created equal and it was aborted and replaced before it ever got root to produce the fruit it was meant too.

People it is time to take back our government and to re-establish the govt for the people by the people. It is possible and we are able if men are willing to fight in the courts, rally in the streets and depose those who represent the banks and the corporations and replace them with men who will represent the people and their interests.

Long live the people of the United States of America and may they arise to over come the enemy within.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

When will men tire of Hierarchal Governments?

Probably right after Women tire of it, as they seem to catch on to things quicker than us.

So, you should ask them...

a reply to: BestinShow

Men is a generic term that includes the female of our species.

Hmm. Good question. If we look back through history, at an idea like a monarch's "Divine Right" to rule, this was tolerated for two main reasons. First, there was not much the average subject could do to change things, and second, many people believed that the monarch was supposed to be in power. In modern dictatorships the populace is so repressed that they are paralyzed with fear. My point is that what the population tolerates has to do with the general beliefs of the time period, as well as what is practical when it comes to altering the government. The government will always be an entity that is bigger than any one man, and all that one can do is tolerate the system. Unless of course there are great numbers pressing for change, in which case things actually have a good chance of changing, depending on the course of action taken by the majority.

To answer your question directly, people have already tired of such governments. Especially in nations where people are oppressed. They have been tired of their government for a long time, yet they can do nothing about it with any hope of succeeding. They simply attempt to get on with their lives as best as possible. So in that sense this point has already been reached. Many in the US have tired of our government as well. But as a whole nation, the US government will be tolerated until something happens that forces major lifestyle changes on a large scale. That is the point at which people will stand up for their rights and the form of government that was meant to be when the US was established. So in essence it depends on the particular country, and somewhere in the world there will always be a people that tolerate a hierarchical form of government, because these nations differ so greatly.

Although there might come a time in the very distant future when, all nations having reached a certain level of cultural and societal advancement, that everyone has realized the best form of government is not what we have done in the past. Then there is the fact that other nations sometimes follow the actions of their neighbors, and this could have a snowball effect sometime in the distant future. Then of course there is the obvious question: is there any form of government that is not hierarchical?

It likely generally likely stems from the impulse to follow which necessarily dictate their needs to be a leader. A leader is usually one individual who takes charge and makes decisions. Even the animal kingdom follows hierarchy. Hierarchies help keep a social order between individuals.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Males are not solely to blame for this.

Well okay I feel your giving the subject a glancing blow. but in so many ways we asked to be lead. Its part of the globalist mentality/ideology that they believe we want to be lead and it is their role to lead.

I was just watching something on the McLaughlin Group about the Bush dynasty. Dynasties don't just happen randomly you have to be groomed for it you have to believe it is role,

Just in our daily lives we give clues that we don't want to lead,. We would rather do other things then be in leadership roles,

if this were true that we did want to lead we would everyday be in city council meetings and government facilities on every issue because leadership requires the ability to have some foresight on most issues,

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Hierarchy is inevitable. Human beings are social animals, social animals have hierarchies. I know that anthropologists loved to tell us that hierarchy does not exist in tribal societies for a long time but that is not exactly true. Although it is certainly less... ah... pyramid shaped than those hierarchies that have arisen since agricultural surpluses really started to kick in, populations grew and elites were an organic result. I think that a hierarchy is necessary to cope with complex societies but it can certainly be accomplished in a way that is more equitable then what we have now and it has been. Historically we tend to focus on those moments in history when the pendulum swings to far in favor of that elite few and the dust up that will inevitably occur as a result. In fact, human history or even the human condition seems almost defined by that push-pull between control by the elite and control by the masses, which often comes down to liberty vs. stability. A balance can be found and often is. I do not know if it can be maintained.

When one believes in higher accountability then he is ruled by his conscience to do what is right. to respect, love and help his fellowman. He strives for what is best for all and fights for liberty and justice for all. The co-equal govt originally established in the US in 1776 was not meant to be hierarchical in the sense that one man rules over another but that all men being equal stand side by side, working together for peace and prosperity for all.

But the Banking industry does not and did not want that fledgling govt to prosper and has been at stifling the rights of the constitution ever since it got control when the first bank was put in place in the 1780's, the bank of the United States of America.

The founding fathers had no intention of the country being like it is today. We can take it back but all men must work in peace and harmony, putting in place people who will represent the people and not banks and corporations (owned by the bank) and allow the citizenry the atmosphere in which they can prosper and not be controlled by the elite.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
The US in 1776 created the first non-hierarchical Government it was a co-equal Government meant to represent the people with elected officials who would represent them.

Just to point out that the early US government was highly selective on who could actually vote, so was completely unrepresentative. Women, blacks, native Americans and even the common man in the early stages.

Your OP goes on to link all this to banks. As time has marched on and banks have become increasingly “powerful”, the people eligible to vote in the US has also marched on. First it was all white men, then chuck in the natives, then women, then blacks. Progress indeed. Well behind other Western democracies, like the UK, who had banks and did things like abolish slavery well before the US were prepared to consider such acts and who were still keeping the black-man down into the 1960s. What can be more hierarchical than exclusion from politics?

On the hierarchical government. The US removed a King and replaced a President. The President has more powers than the King ever had! The President was elite at the start with a limited number of people allowed to vote, and remains elite today with everyone allowed to vote. Nothing to do with banks, but more to do with the lust for power.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
the founders of the United States of America had a dream where all men were created equal and it was aborted and replaced before it ever got root to produce the fruit it was meant too.

These were words that took hundreds of years to reach fruition in the US as the "dreamers" had a narrow view, precisely because the elite of the past set things up to consolidate power in the few. It was a flawed model at the start.

Regards

originally posted by: paraphi

you forget the cultural changes that had taken place. During that time it was a world wide cultural practice that women, blacks and conquered natives were represented but via their Husbands and father, owners and conquerers. albeit their representation was not equal. But as the nation grew the culture changed.
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America was the reason for the change. and today only the European, American and some Americanized countries are women even remotely equal. Many are still oppressed, and limited in their rights most if not all Islamic countries are guilty of this. so your premise is misguided as you try and impose yesterdays culture on todays American society. However society has nothing to do with what Govt style is used, we see it in china. Though American society and Chinese society differ in many ways they both are ran by hierarchal Govts ruled by the banking industry.

Cultures change however hierarchal Govts do not and as long as they can control they could care less about what equality you feel or don't feel you or anyone else has as long as they rule over you in the end. Todays hierarchal Govt is ran via the banks and banking industries corporations and big business. the 1% who hold all the wealth of the world.

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originally posted by: paraphi
Just to point out that the early US government was highly selective on who could actually vote, so was completely unrepresentative. Women, blacks, native Americans and even the common man in the early stages.

States of the Republic were selective on who could vote; no restrictions were in place at the Federal level which is evident in the Constitution. Via the 10th Amendment, the States imposed such restrictions...

a reply to: ChesterJohn

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