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AirAsia QZ8501 black box found, say Indonesia authorities

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posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Psynic

I already know the answer thanks. They don't rule anything out until the report is done.




posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Psynic

They don't rule anything out until the report is done.


Imagine that.



posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 02:21 PM
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And the evidence so far is that it was intact at impact and exploded when it hit the water.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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Today's Telegraph is again reporting the mid-air explosion possibility as purported by a Mr. Supriyadi, Operations Coordinator for the Indonesian National Search and Rescue Agency responsible for the recovered wreckage.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

It seems his conclusions are being vigorously challenged by his own bosses, and now by Australian experts.

I wonder if those are the same Australian experts that have been advising Australian PM Tony Abbott?

The ones that told him about the "substantive" proof of MH370's existence in the Southern Indian Ocean?

The black box information will very easily put an end to any further speculation about mid-air explosions and now that they have been recovered, there should be no more need to make insupportable claims about the altitude of the A/C when it exploded.

Unless of course there's another agreement between investigating partners to not reveal the cause of the crash as we saw in the second act of this tragic farce, MH17.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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And the head of the team that recovered AF447 too. The bodies don't show the damage they should show from an explosion with any kind of altitude, and apparently most are still in the wreckage, which is more evidence that it was intact at impact.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
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And the head of the team that recovered AF447 too. The bodies don't show the damage they should show from an explosion with any kind of altitude, and apparently most are still in the wreckage, which is more evidence that it was intact at impact.


Bodies stripped of garments are evidence of wind velocity from a mid-air explosion, but I'll wait to hear the flight data, now that the boxes are ashore.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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It also happens in ground crashes. If the plane exploded at least some of the bodies would have shown damage from it, as well as damage from impacting the water after falling. Most of the bodies wouldn't be trapped in the fuselage wreckage either.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 11:22 AM
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Really no need to keep speculating.

They have the black boxes.

All they need to do is report the facts.

Unless you're anticipating another cover-up?



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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It's not just speculation, it's proven history of air crashes. You can tell based on previous accidents most of what happened in this accident. No two accidents are 100% identical, so there will be differences, but the data we have so far says the plane did certain things, and certain events happened during the accident chain.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
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It's not just speculation, it's proven history of air crashes. You can tell based on previous accidents most of what happened in this accident. No two accidents are 100% identical, so there will be differences, but the data we have so far says the plane did certain things, and certain events happened during the accident chain.


It's not EVEN that, is more like it. First hand information is needed for actual speculation..

In light of the recent airline disasters, Malaysian ones in particular, relying on statistics is pointless.

All the statistics in the world won't explain why Malaysian airliners are the only ones being lost these days.

The search coordinator at the scene says there is evidence the A/C broke up in the air, which means it is being investigated, regardless of what you refer to as "the history of air crashes".

I don't know why you would have a problem with that.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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You also can't explain why there are 18 instances of individual airlines losing multiple aircraft over a matter of months. It happens. Especially when you're in a part of the world that has a known history of bad maintenance, rapid growth beyond their capabilities, and other factors. So, yes you can say other crashes resemble it.

I don't have a problem with them investigating it, or any of a number of other possibilities, it's their job. I'm just saying that the evidence that we have seen so far doesn't support it.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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Great. So now we just have to wait to hear what's on the CVR.

Why do I get the feeling we're going to be waiting a loooooong time?



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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Because we always are. It usually takes weeks, if not months before transcripts are released. They may release portions of it, but they won't release the entire transcript until the investigators are done with the recordings.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 01:04 PM
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Because we always are. It usually takes weeks, if not months before transcripts are released. They may release portions of it, but they won't release the entire transcript until the investigators are done with the recordings.


Or, as in the case of MH17, never at all, if one of the countries involved feels it doesn't suit their political agenda.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 01:10 PM
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Wow, less than a year, and you've already decided that the transcripts won't be released. They've already released a partial transcript, as usual for an investigation.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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Wow, less than a year, and you've already decided that the transcripts won't be released. They've already released a partial transcript, as usual for an investigation.


Please don't twist my words.

I clearly stated "if one of the countries involved" decides it's against their interests to release the findings.

More than 100 bodies are still unaccounted for, which btw, is entirely consistent with the A/C exploding in mid-air.



posted on Jan, 13 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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And the main fuselage has yet to be moved. You act like they've recovered or completely explored every inch and didn't find them. What's left is a mangled heap.



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 08:59 AM
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There is no way that aircraft exploded in the air. They found the fuselage, and it's still intact sitting on the bottom. You can still read the messages painted on the side of it. It may have had pieces separate shortly before impact, but it was almost completely intact at impact.
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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 10:10 AM
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So what if "you can still read the message printed on the side of it" (QZ8501) ?

MH17 exploded in the air and there was still plenty of graphics remaining to identify the aircraft.

The fact that it took days to find the fuselage after locating the rest of the debris (in only 100' of water) is a strong indicator of an explosion prior to impact.

So now it's "pieces separated shortly before impact ".

Like in 'Mid-Air', huh?

What's with all the prevaricating?

With the black boxes safely recovered, there is absolutely no reason to continue avowing the circumstances of the crash, unless as in the case of MH17 and MH370, someone wants to cover it up.














posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 10:39 AM
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MH17 had a portion of the name intact, not an entire slogan that takes up 3/4ths of the fuselage that was intact and sitting upright.

I'm not prevaricating. The aircraft may have suffered a partial inflight breakup, that is far different than an explosion.




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