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Gun owners - Have you apologised for a spree killing recently?

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posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: neo96

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posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: neo96

On the one hand - not really a direct answer to my question

On the other hand - a very good justification for neformore's thread



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: moonleaf

Excellent post!!!



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: neformore
i have read the disclaimer, but... do tell us, what is your real stance about people's right to own and bear arms?


Its not relevant to the analogy, but as you asked I don't care if people own guns or not, on the same lines as I don't care what religion someone decides to follow.

The point of the analogy is to make people think about the use of generalisation.

There have been some very well thought out replies as to it's failings, such as this one by ProjectVxn but ultimately, as well made as his point may be - and I respect his right to make it - the analogy still stands, because its not about the ins and outs of gun ownership, or a particular religion, its about the folly of casting aspersions on the majority in a particular subject and generalisations as a whole.



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: neo96

On the one hand - not really a direct answer to my question

On the other hand - a very good justification for neformore's thread


How's that ?

How many thousands of people have been killed ALL over the world in the name of 'ALLAH'.

Compared to a GD American political issue.

Better yet how many gun owners hijack planes. Then fly them in to buildings.

How many gun owners strap bombs on to themselves to kill the inflidel.

How many gun owners go around cutting children in half.

And.

How many gun owners go around beheading, and shooting journalists for making cartoons, and writing things not so nice about them.

'A good justification' eh.

Hardly.
edit on 11-1-2015 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: neo96

You're just a gun apologist.

(Again, thats satire. think about it)



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:06 PM
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Hell lets go the full mile here.

All muslims aren't bad, but all gun owners ARE.

Hell that is why we have have 70 GD years of gun control.

See before terrorists ?

There were GUN OWNERS.



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I love it. Terrorists kill a couple thousand folks in a decade. NATO wars directly and indirectly cause millions in the same time frame.

DOWN WITH THE MUSLIMS!

I'm also pretty sure that some muslims in the middle east are also gun owners...



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: framedragged

Try for over 2000 YEARS.

Then look up the Armenian genocide.

See terrorists, aka Islamic NAZIS have been around longer than NATO.



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: neo96

How many peaceful, law-abiding Muslims have done any of those things? Are the peaceful law-abiding Muslims responsible for the actions of the terrorists? Are the peaceful, law-abiding Muslims supposed to fix all the problems of the terrorists for us?



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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neformore, the problem is that you yourself are making a generalization. You are implying that gun owners are the majority of people who make generalizations against Muslims.

It is possible you didn't realize you yourself made a generalization which is not entirely true, but nevertheless, a generalization it is.


edit on 11-1-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add comment.



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: neo96

If you want to go back that far then islam is not the only one with bloody hands.


This is about not blanketing all muslims as terrorist just like you don't want to see all gun owners blanketed.

But please keep ranting, you just keep proving the point more and more.



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The OP does nothing of the sort.

There is no implication, just the common rhetoric we hear after every shooting in this country



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

No I'm not.

See here for clarification of the analogy

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

And doesn't even realise it....



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

'Law abiding' ?

Wasn't aware that gun owners were muslim, and followed sharia law.

BIg DIFFERENCE.

Have people not had enough of the false equivalency?

Guess not.



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: neformore

neformore, the problem is that you yourself are making a generalization. You are implying that gun owners are the majority of people who generalize against Muslims.

It is possible you didn't realize you yourself made a generalization which is not entirely true, but nevertheless, a generalization it is.


He never implied that. I said that - and I took it back. The real point of the thread (to me) is that it is ridiculous for anyone (gun owner or not) to say that peaceful Muslims should in any way be held responsible for the actions of the terrorists, just as it is ridiculous to say that gun owners are in any way responsible for the actions of mass shooters.



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Feel free to quote the 7 pillars of gun ownership.

Anytime.



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Then why not use a more wide satirical generalization if it wasn't intended for one particular group of people?



posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: kaylaluv

'Law abiding' ?

Wasn't aware that gun owners were muslim, and followed sharia law.

BIg DIFFERENCE.

Have people not had enough of the false equivalency?

Guess not.


Can you forget about gun owners for just a second? Do you agree that there are Muslims who haven't hurt anyone, haven't shot anyone, haven't beheaded anyone, haven't blown anyone up?




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