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Was the French Attack a False Flag???

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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 03:42 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman
a reply to: spy66

If it doesn't matter, this thread is useless. Just saying.


Let's close it and open a new one called "The effect of the Paris attacks on future policies".


It is useless. No one here have any real authority or a very big influance on the publick domain.

Useually People in the Public domain dont share the views With the People who are present in these foras and who are deeply interested in this case. The majority of the Public watch the News and make up their mind based on what the news tells them.

We are looked up on as conspiracy Readers, And that is a tabo within the Public domain.
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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 03:54 AM
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originally posted by: spy66
We are looked up on as conspiracy Readers


I wonder why... I've read on this thread that anyone who follows traditional media and accept what they say (unless something is REALLY suspicious) is a gullible idiot and a mindless drone.

If you want my opinion, this is completely untrue. Many normal people are perfectly capable of critical judgement and yet still follow traditional media because they know very well how it works. Yes Fox, Al Jazeera or RT have agendas. Anyone knows that. And yet it doesn't mean all media are manipulated by a shadow government and everything they say is propaganda to brainwash people.

To think like that is extreme and the reason why most look down to conspiracy theorists as lunatics.



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 04:07 AM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

originally posted by: spy66
We are looked up on as conspiracy Readers


I wonder why... I've read on this thread that anyone who follows traditional media and accept what they say (unless something is REALLY suspicious) is a gullible idiot and a mindless drone.

If you want my opinion, this is completely untrue. Many normal people are perfectly capable of critical judgement and yet still follow traditional media because they know very well how it works. Yes Fox, Al Jazeera or RT have agendas. Anyone knows that. And yet it doesn't mean all media are manipulated by a shadow government and everything they say is propaganda to brainwash people.

To think like that is extreme and the reason why most look down to conspiracy theorists as lunatics.



I am not sying People dont have the ability to do Critical thinking. But the thing is; they are not doing it.

And how can you be so sure that there is nothing fishy going on? How do you know?

Is it Your personal intervision, a personal Guess or is it that you have full confidence in the media?

The media covers only what it sees but With restrictions, The media is restricted by some laws to cover all aspects of some events. But it can not cover what it dosent see.

There is no Law that forces the media/News to tell the truth.


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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 04:55 AM
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originally posted by: spy66
I am not sying People dont have the ability to do Critical thinking. But the thing is; they are not doing it.


It is noted. You believe only conspiracy theorists are critically thinking.
I find this claim rather condescending.


originally posted by: spy66
And how can you be so sure that there is nothing fishy going on? How do you know?

How can you be so sure something is? How do you know?



originally posted by: spy66
Is it Your personal intervision, a personal Guess or is it that you have full confidence in the media?

I don't have full confidence in the media. I watched all the video and read all the conspiracy claim by myself. They are not conclusive to me. I'm still waiting for more than assumptions in this thread, for some evidences. I haven't seen any so far. Occam's razor dictates that the standard story should be prefered in this case.

But it seems CT are not capable of favoring the standard version because they have an aversion for anything coming from the media.


originally posted by: spy66
The media covers only what it sees but With restrictions, The media is restricted by some laws to cover all aspects of some events. But it can not cover what it dosent see.


And yet all the claims of false flag are based on videos relayed by the media. So this argument is moot. The media are covering more than enough to discover the truth by ourselves.


originally posted by: spy66
There is no Law that forces the media/News to tell the truth.


There is no law that forces the media to lie.




None of your point above are proofs that the media are always lying or that it is a false flag event.

In the case of this thread, almost everything posted is nothing but opinions.

If we look at the facts without preconception (the videos, the manifesto, the witnesses, the predictable nature of the attack, ...) everything adds up to the fact that this is a terror attack from 3 salafists born and raised in France who acted to enforce a fatwa edicted in 2012 by a taliban imam, and to act out of revenge against the actions of the West in Muslim countries.
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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 05:50 AM
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It is noted. You believe only conspiracy theorists are critically thinking.


No i dont. There are many so called experts who does that for us. We are not being told how to think by these experts, We are being told what to think. Have you ever noticed that?

If we have experts telling us what to think, we dont have to do much Critical thinking. We even use them as evidence instead of Critical thinking. It is how we are educated these days.





How can you be so sure something is? How do you know?


Because of Critical thinking.

Because of Critical thinking there is something here that smells. It smells bad because we all know that Pentagon, NSA, CIA, FBI, MI5 and 6 and so on have Communications With these evil fractions. We all know that Pentagon instigates covert operations With them and against them at different times and locations. These are hardly ever brought to tention throught the medio or Our governments. Sometimes Our government dont even know what Pentagon is up to. That is why they have these hearings. But these never lead to anything, because they wont tell anything or are not allowed to say anything. There is often a spotter present when these hearings take Place, to keep an eye on the one in question so that he/she wont fall for the traps.




I don't have full confidence in the media. I watched all the video and read all the conspiracy claim by myself. They are not conclusive to me. I'm still waiting for more than assumptions in this thread, for some evidences. I haven't seen any so far. Occam's razor dictates that the standard story should be prefered in this case.


There will never be any evidence of Our claims. That is the bit that should ring a bell. No one is questioning the standard story except a few of us. What most People are doing is defending the standard story and waiting for the standar story to evolve into a conclusion. And based on these conclusions Our government will change a Whole bunch of policies related to Our freedom. That is how it Works.




And yet all the claims of false flag are based on videos relayed by the media. So this argument is moot. The media are covering more than enough to discover the truth by ourselves.


You are missing the point when People use media videos. The video is often used to put forth a argument to support their claim. Not everone is equally good at do this. And somethimes they are wrong and made wrong by others.

But still we are far from being experts at this. But many questions are Worth looking into. But its not easy to find answers when the case might be a covert operation. When Things are done covert, neither the media or Our government might have knowledge, thereby we can not find proper evidence that would make People believe Your side of the story.

The other problem is that this is a Public forum, non of us are trusted to know covert operations, because that demands credentials. Posting covert credentials on a Public forum is in many cases a crime if investigated or brought to life.





There is no law that forces the media to lie.


No. There aint. But there are laws in Place preventing them to give specific details including the truth. You must understand that there are laws that prevnt media and governments from revealing facts that are sencetive. Than you have to ask Your self: Sencetive to who? It aint us the Public. We have a right know since Our government is supposed to represent us. It is probably because it is sencetive to them because we might become angry With them.

You have no reason to trust the media. You have a reason to do Your own Research beased on what they tell you.








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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 07:00 AM
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We'll know when they make it against the law to discuss this distinct possibility.

Sometimes that's a pretty good indicator, sort of like how SH panned out.

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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 07:09 AM
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originally posted by: TheWhiteKnight
We'll know when they make it against the law to discuss this distinct possibility.

Sometimes that's a pretty good indicator, sort of like how SH panned out.

# 341


They wont make a Law against it. They will just ignore it. If you ask a official a sencetive question. You will get a lot of nothing in return and then he/she moves on to the Next person. If you make a big deal out of Your question you might be thrown out of the room and cuffed. At least that is a big risk in the US.



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 07:29 AM
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a reply to: spy66

They are already implementing the 'Patriot Act'.

You know, that doublespeak fascistic wet dream that was born of the sloppy job the tribe pulled on 911.
This is what made the Boston house to house armed siege possible.

As far as making it illegal, that will come with the evaluations which will be handed out like prizes when the state starts rounding us up for being 'unbalanced conspiracy freaks'. When the average Joe sees how anyone who doubts the stories is handled, that will suffice. Sort of like how they handle it here. Ludicrous online lies, hoax, thread removed etc….

They will also equate dissension with anti semitism. It is happening this very moment. You see, it's A-OK to make derogatory publications about anything and everything, except about them. I wouldn't mind seeing what Charlie has to print about them, if anything. Looks like a scat trash mag, not my style, but maybe they blaspheme the jews too? Inquiring minds want to know.

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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: spy66
You have no reason to trust the media. You have a reason to do Your own Research beased on what they tell you.


It's exactly what I've been doing. I watched all the claims made in this thread, from a critical perspective, and none managed to convince me.

Then I watched the story relayed by the media and it sounded more plausible.

I don't what else to say? I sometimes feel like I should feel guilty here for not believing that everything is a conspiracy or a false flag. Sorry I won't let the social pressure of this site dictate me what I consider plausible or credible. I don't buy the video and link posted.

In fact I believe most are coming from people who, like many UFO hoaxers, make a load of money by specifically creating videos on youtube that get a lot of views thanks to conspiracy sites. Conspiracy theories is big business too and that should be part of the equation when you ask yourself what source out there is the most credible.



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: JUhrman

I have some information you can read. It is not directly related to the Paris terror act. But you will get a good Scope of what is going on. And why there is a reason to have doubts about the standard story(s).

-Turkish Imam named Fethullah Gulen: www.progressivepress.net... - Read all the links in Red as well.


- lukery.blogspot.de...


- www.historycommons.org...








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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 12:14 PM
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You realize posting "false flag" theories online here could be considered a crime by the French. And that France already forced Twitter to hand over the names of people who posted "illegal" tweets.



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: Jamie1
You realize posting "false flag" theories online here could be considered a crime by the French. And that France already forced Twitter to hand over the names of people who posted "illegal" tweets.



That Depends on what the theory is right? Planning a flase flag is probably the crime right?



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: Jamie1
You realize posting "false flag" theories online here could be considered a crime by the French. And that France already forced Twitter to hand over the names of people who posted "illegal" tweets.



That's bull# and I would like a link from where you get this BS from.

Actually many newspaper are commenting about the conspiracy theories posted on the net like those saying the police officer is in fact not dead. At best they relay them and explain the context of the CT underworld, at worse they claim such theories are really hurting the families of the victims by claiming their loved ones are in fact...not dead.

When they just put them in a grave.

What is illegal is terrorism apology and incitation to racial hate. That's what they are asking from twitter because it's illegal.

I don't know where you got that conspiracy theories about the attacks are illegal in France but it's a steaming pile of BS. The disinfo in this thread is astonishing.
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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 01:59 PM
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originally posted by: JUhrman

There is no law that forces the media to lie.



It's not called "a law" there, in the media, it's called "a paycheck."



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 03:05 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
The reason this video has been taken down or not shown on other sites and news outlets is the same reason the Mods took down a similar video yesterday.

It shows a man being executed on cold blood, yes executed.

And the content of that video and the water Mellon has already been discussed on other threads

Now I am not a expert in ballistics but i do know that it is possible not to see any blood, this guy was hit at close range from a 7.62 round the blood pasterns will depend very much on the type of round used. Now like i say i am not expert on these matters but i have seen this argument being used on on other threads were it has been pointed out that it is possible that depending on the round used that the blood was cauterized as it pass through the skull and the mist we see in the video is just what was left of the bullet hitting the concrete. It is also possible that a hollow point was used or even that the the lack of blood spray is due to the path the bullet took inside the skull. There are also a whole rang of other biological reasons why the blood patter in not as one would expect after watching a a back to back marathon of Rambo movies.

What i am saying is that a lack of blood alone is not evidence enough that we were lied to when they said this police officer died due to gun shot wounds he took during the attacks in Paris. There are multiple sources all saying that this is how he died, we have a video that shows him moving, then being shot, and it seems like he is dead after that. Additionally there is zero evidence to suggest he is still alive.

I think it is highly disrespectful to this brave man and the family he leaves behind to suggest that his last brave act was some how "faked".

As such a resonance person can only conclude that he is dead and he died of those gun shot wounds.



if you were going to do this atrocity in a stolen car, why would you have and leave your ID in the vehicle?


Never left your wallet in the car OP?

Really both of these issues have already been debated on different threads on ATS and neither the ID card or the lack of blood prove a false flag.



Do chief investigators usually kill themselves. Let me guess, this also has already been discussed on ATS.



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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originally posted by: Jamie1
You realize posting "false flag" theories online here could be considered a crime by the French. And that France already forced Twitter to hand over the names of people who posted "illegal" tweets.



Let me get this straight, porn freaks like charlie hebdo have the right to say or "tweet" anything they like with regards to one of the worlds biggest religion but people can't tweet what ever they want, and furthermore will go to jail for it.
And you agree with this!??
Am I the only person here on this thread that realizes that you have lost every conceivable right to comment on this issue.. Ever again ??!.



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 03:27 PM
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More information posted in my country from alternative medias, I decided to share them with you.

Recently the newspaper Charlie Hebdo was bought by Rotchild family and more specifically, Edward Rotchild.
This event gave him openings for his company, before this newspaper made thousands of copies, now they print millions.

Also the guy / police man, known as Ahmed Merabet, who got the shot in the head, is actually NOT a muslim or arab, his true name is Avigdor and his brother name is Maloch who recently changed it to Melek. So its obvious they are crypto-jews. Maybe Mossand

Right now this policeman who died, is relocated in Buenos Aires / Argentina, with a new name and in his new mission. Thats the alternative news say here! I could give you the links if you want....

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posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: JUhrman

Have you seen this?




posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: Ploutonas
More information posted in my country from alternative medias, I decided to share them with you.

Recently the newspaper Charlie Hebdo was bought by Rotchild family and more specifically, Edward Rotchild.
This event gave him openings for his company, before this newspaper made thousands of copies, now they print millions.

Also the guy / police man, known as Ahmed Merabet, who got the shot in the head, is actually NOT a muslim or arab, his true name is Avigdor and his brother name is Maloch who recently changed it to Melek. So its obvious they are crypto-jews. Maybe Mossand

Right now this policeman who died, is relocated in Buenos Aires / Argentina, with a new name and in his new mission. Thats the alternative news say here! I could give you the links if you want....


More BS without any source. Some of you are beyond help.



posted on Jan, 14 2015 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: JUhrman

You dont have to be that upset, or panicked... I said, I could give you link! And I did, you just had to ask. There are few other links also, but as you can see, its alternative websites with news...


And speaking about forged or real terrorism, Italy is a potential target and vatican. Fresh news, just a couple of hours ago, an airplane in Rome, from the air company Nikki, with final destination in Vienna, before it took off, a passenger confessed in the airplane crew, that he has an active clocking device-bomb inside the aircraft in order to explode it in the air... And he said the truth, they found the bomb. Everybody is safe and the guy is in interogation proccess.

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