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I am proud to be a Christian Fundamentalist.

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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: Akragon


Text He knew who Christians were, not who the Christ was... You only prove my point... paul had no idea who Jesus was... IF he had been present he also would have likely be able to recognise who was speaking to him... He would have already heard him speak at the trial...

Saul was a member of the Sanhedrin as is also shown in Acts and yes he was appointed by his master Gamaliel. The Sanhedrin (court of 71 members) was the only court of the Judaic law at this period in Jesus' ministry. Simply because Paul in his letters did not mention the fact does not mean the incident did not happen.

You say Paul had no idea who Jesus was in your above statement. How could that be if he had the approval of Roman and Jewish authorities for the captivity of Jesus' followers? Saul was about five to six years younger than Jesus and was born in about 5 CE. He was about twenty five to twenty seven years old when Jesus was murdered and was active in the courts of Judaic law. He was at the stoning of Stephen and had cast his approval in Stephens death. You do not cast any vote of approval unless you are a court official and there is only one Sanhedrin court.

Act 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. -- A commoner would not be noted by Luke or recognized as worthy history in consenting to the death of Stephen. Saul was a court official who was a consenting witness to carry out the death penalty. He was a member of the court and as a Sanhedrin official, with the approval of Rome, would be required to carry out this punishment. In other words any death penalty must be approved by Roman authority and Judaic authority does not apply till the Sanhedrin has the approval of Rome. Stoning is not a Roman method of their death penalty. This shows that Saul was a consenting member of the Sanhedrin to carry out the Jewish penalty of death by stoning. Only 71 members of the Jewish court would have this authority to oversee a death penalty. -- Source is Acts 6,7,8 chapters.
As a young member of the Sanhedrin and very bitter towards Christians, would not be too surprising that he delighted in the extermination of these Christians.




posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: Ignatian
I believe in God, The Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord. He was conceived by the power of The Holy Spirit, and born of the Virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again.
He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of The Father.
He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in The Holy Spirit, the holy catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting.

Amen!


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This is a chat thread not a prayer session.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: Tangerine




This is a chat thread not a prayer session.


That isn't a prayer, it's a creed.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:14 PM
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It is impossible to engage in serious discussion with people who can not distinguish between belief and fact and are unable/unwilling to reason critically. Debating with someone who insists in the equivalent that Frodo is real because he's a character in a book and Gandalf, another character in a book, spoke to him and about him, is futile. It's very important to ensure that such people not gain political power. The only value to "debating" them is to show those who can reason critically that these people are irrational and potentially dangerous. While their claims are ludicrous, the threat they potentially pose should be taken seriously. I am proud to not be a Christian fundamentalist.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:16 PM
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I already gave you an example... He called himself blameless because of his life as a Pharisee, which was not only bragging about that life, but it was a lie...


I guess you don't know what a "premise" is in a logical argument. That statement was the premise in his argument that according to the law he was blameless. His argument was that if the law made a person righteous he would be found blameless. He was arguing the law WAS NOT a means to righteousness in the conclusion of his argument.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:19 PM
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Don't give me your debating tactics crap lol...


It's not. Logic is logic even outside of a sanctioned debate.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:23 PM
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And I''ll yell BS at you all day. Read your history. Organized Religeon stood in their way, and we all know their methods of getting rid of opposition.



Funny you would say to read your history while claiming Hitler was an Atheist. It doesn't seem that you know your history.

Nazi artifacts with Christian ties



Benedictine monastery Swastika

Although Hitler's inspiration for the Nazi swastika is uncertain, it may have been influenced by the swastika displayed at the Benedictine monastery where Hitler served as an altar boy. Whenever Hitler attened mass, he had to pass beneath the Benedictine swastika graven in the stone escutcheon of the abbey portal. Considering that Hitler once wanted to become a Benedictine monk, it is possible that this swastika stuck in his mind and later influenced his design for the Nazi swastika.











When you see a cross

Page from the anti-Semitic German children's book, "Der Giftpilz" (The Poisonous Mushroom)

The text reads, "When you see a cross, then think of the horrible murder by the Jews on Golgotha..."

(see 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15, "...the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men")




Mother Mary with the Holy Child Jesus Christ, Oil/canvas, 1913

by Adolf Hitler



A few of Hitler’s Christian confessions:

“Besides that, I believe one thing: there is a Lord God! And this Lord God creates the peoples.” [1] ~Adolf Hitler

“We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out” [2] ~Adolf Hitler

Hitler was a devout Christian, right down to his brutal slaughtering of the “Christ-killing” Jews.

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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:32 PM
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We judge a tree by its' fruit. Hitler was no Christian. He was a Catholic too! NOT!

Hitler was as atheist as they come.


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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:35 PM
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I'm no computer geek, but I'd characterize it as a bulletin board, not a "chat thread".


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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:39 PM
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The age old claim by Christians that someone isn't a Christian because they judge them as not Christian.

Now that is one of the biggest line of Bull Shcnit I have ever heard.

Hitler being an atheist is not not supported at all by his his words or deeds he was Christian thru and thru.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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Do you Know how many Catholics Hitler went after and exterminated?

Hmm?




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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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Hitler was a devout Christian, right down to his brutal slaughtering of the “Christ-killing” Jews.


No, Hitler was a master at propaganda. He spoke like one when talking to a populace that was 80% Christian, but when speaking privately with his associates he had great contempt for Christians. Just Google "Hitler anti-christian quotes".




“…the only way of getting rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.”





“It’s Christianity that’s the liar. It’s in perpetual conflict with itself.”





“In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.”





“Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don’t believe the thing’s possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.”





“As far as we are concerned, we’ve succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.”





“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.”





“The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity. Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilisation by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society. Thus one understands that the healthy elements of the Roman world were proof against this doctrine.”





“When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunised against the disease.”





“Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps. My regret will have been that I couldn’t, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar. We are entering into a conception of the world that will be a sunny era, an era of tolerance.”





“Pure Christianity—the Christianity of the catacombs—is concerned with translating the Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind.”





“The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practises a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its key-note is intolerance.”





“But Christianity is an invention of sick brains : one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A negro with his tabus is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in Transubstantiation.”



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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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The age old claim by Christians that someone isn't a Christian because they judge them as not Christian.


That came from Jesus. We follow Jesus.



"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." ~ Jesus


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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 08:05 PM
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Do you have any clue what an atheist is?

Hmm?


BTW do you know how many Christians Catholics have killed or how many Christians other Christians have killed?

Have you ever heard of the Thirty Years' War?

Did you know it is thought it is believed that in the early centuries of Christianity that Christians probably killed more Christians than the Romans?

Christians have probably killed more Christians throughout history than any other group in the world so please explain how they can't be Christian then.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: NOTurTypical
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The age old claim by Christians that someone isn't a Christian because they judge them as not Christian.


That came from Jesus. We follow Jesus.



From what I have seen it is hard to find Christians that actually follow what their Christ has said.

I doubt there are even a 1,000 worldwide today that can be held to that standard. I have yet to meet a one on ATS that could.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 08:12 PM
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From what I have seen it is hard to find Christians that actually follow what their Christ has said.


Christianity makes us saved, it doesn't make us perfect. We try the best we can, but we still fail from time to time.

"For a just man falleth seven times, and riseth up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief." ~ Proverbs 24:16



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: NOTurTypical

Good one Proverbs some old testament stuff. I thought you were a Christian.


I have never met two Christians who can agree with each other what it is to be a Christian but they will claim to know about Hitlers faith.

The claim Hitler was an atheist is one of the most dishonest tricks Christians still use today. It is pure propaganda on their part.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Akragon




I already gave you an example... He called himself blameless because of his life as a Pharisee, which was not only bragging about that life, but it was a lie...


I guess you don't know what a "premise" is in a logical argument. That statement was the premise in his argument that according to the law he was blameless. His argument was that if the law made a person righteous he would be found blameless. He was arguing the law WAS NOT a means to righteousness in the conclusion of his argument.



Yeah I know what a premise is...

That has nothing to do with the fact that he was bragging about being blameless according to the law of moses

Look you two can speculate as much as you wish... It doesn't change the fact that Paul did not ever meet or see Jesus...

IF he had it would have been recorded... and all the speculation in the world does not change the bare facts...

Believe whatever makes you happy...

I tend to believe Jesus went to india in his "lost years" so if your speculation is valid... so is mine


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posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 10:15 PM
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Hitler's Table Talk

Those who deny Hitler as a Christian will invariably find the recorded table talk conversations of Hitler from 1941 to 1944 as incontrovertible evidence that he could not have been a Christian. The source usually comes from the English translation (from a French translation) edition by Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens, with an introduction by H.R. Trevor-Roper.

The table-talk has Hitler saying such things such as: "I shall never come to terms with the Christian lie. . .", "Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity".

The problem with these anti-Christian quotes is that the German text of the table-talk does not include them, they were made up by François Genoud, the translator of the French version, the very version that English translations rely on! (More on this below).
www.nobeliefs.com...


LOL

Christians have been inventing ways to distance themselves from Hitler for a long time now.



posted on Jan, 18 2015 @ 11:45 PM
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Even though many of the people you've listed were NOT atheists, still, there has NEVER been a war waged in the name of atheism.

Furthermore, if you have some stats to post, post them. I'm not going on a wild goose chase looking for how many people atheists have killed.

We KNOW religion kills. Atheism has never been the cause of any war, but God has never stopped a religious one.

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