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Flight MH17 - Searching for the Truth

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posted on Feb, 24 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: Flatcoat




According to you and others, that was the normal flight path for many domestic flights. Every 15 min I believe was mentioned here. Why would they just randomly pick that flight to shoot down?


Because it was a regular flight path used by many airlines...


Other airlines which used the same airspace over Donetsk as the MH17 plane on the same day include Jet Airways, Thai Airways, Pakistan International Airlines, Qatar Airways, Etihad; Emirates, and Austrian Airlines.


www.dailymail.co.uk...



Why would they just randomly pick that flight to shoot down?


Because they didn't have the whole battery which would have been able to show it was a civilian plane, but they had a radar that only showed a plane, so they shoot at what they think is a Ukrainian military plane except it wasn't.

So it was shot down mistakenly...not on purpose.




posted on Feb, 24 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien




There are words on the internet also that he didn`t have an actual account but there were others acting like it was him, so I wouldn`t hold too much merit to such things.


And those words are wrong...

vk.com...

Enjoy.



posted on Feb, 24 2015 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: earthling42




But there was another aircraft nearby, this was SIA351 which was about to cross the path of MH17, they were a minute away from MH17.


Actually if that was the Singapore Air your talking about they were 15 miles away from where MH17 at the time it went down, so I don't see them talking about it.

If I remember correctly MH17 wanted to climb to 35000 ft but was told to remain at 33000 ft because another plane was using that altitude flying towards them.



posted on Feb, 24 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Yes, correct, first the much debated AFL2074 crossed the path of MH17, and about ten minutes later SIA351 would cross the path of MH17, SIA351 was indeed flying at FL350 and MH17 at FL330.
After they had crossed paths MH17 could have climbed to a higher flight level, although this depends on fuel and weight.
They might well have stayed on FL330 for longer until they had burned enough fuel and thus weight.

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The aircraft flying towards them was AI113 at FL400
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posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

He did have a VK, i've been reading his page to see what was going on.


Talk was that there were 2 accounts who acted as being him.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

He posted pictures and messages, also about how tough it was in July and August without supplies from Moscow, and pictures of the supplies when they finally had arrived.
He might have had two or more accounts because Strelkov (the shooter) is not his real name, that is Igor Girkin.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: Dabrazzo

The plane was clearly shot down by Rebels using Russian weapons. Anybody who states otherwise is just believing what they want to believe. It definately wasn't Americans as there were no American weapons on the ground or American planes inside of Ukraine airspace. The simplist explaination usually ends up being the correct one, and in this case, it was the Rebels that shot down the plane, likely with assistance from Russian soldiers. Granted, it was an accident, but nevertheless, they are still responsible for this trajedy. Here are the FACTS:



  1. During the first two days of investigation, the militants prevented the OSCE and the workers of Ukrainian Emergencies Ministry from freely working at the crash site.
  2. After the black box was found, it took 3 days for the rebels to agree to hand it over to Malaysia. It was later reported that the CVR had been damaged and data had previously been downloaded by another party.
  3. Once a real investigation began, it was found that several of the plane's components were removed from the crash site while under "Rebel" supervision. Many of the luggage and jewely worn by the victims were also found to have been looted by the Rebels.
  4. Shortly after the crash, Igor Girkin, leader of the Donbass separatists, was reported to have posted on social media network VKontakte, taking credit for downing a Ukrainian AN-26. The separatists later recanted and denied involvement after learning that a civilian airliner had been downed, saying they did not have the equipment or training to hit a target at that altitude. Russian media also reported that Alexander Borodai called one of the Moscow media managers 40 minutes after the crash, saying that "likely we shot down a civilian airline".
  5. Witnesses in Torez reported sightings on the day of the incident of what appeared to be a Buk missile launcher, and AP journalists reported sightings of a Buk system in separatist controlled Snizhne. The witness reports also backed up photographs and videos which had been posted online, of the Buk launcher in rebel held territory.
  6. Ukraine reported seeing a Buk M-1 enter the town operated by a man "with unfamiliar fatigues and a distinctive Russian accent" escorted by two civilian vehicles, which then moved off in the direction where the shootdown later occurred.
  7. A Buk launcher used in the shootdown was moved back into Russia the night after the attack.
  8. On 22 July, a soldier revealed to an Italian reporter that fellow separatists had told his unit the aircraft had been shot down under the assumption that it was Ukrainian.This information was verified and confirmed on the same day by a German newspaper. Unnamed American intelligence officials stated that sensors that traced the path of the missile, shrapnel patterns in the wreckage, voice print analysis of separatists' conversations in which they claimed credit for the strike, and photos and other data from social media sites all indicated that Russian-backed separatists had fired the missile.
  9. Satellite data from infrared sensors detected the explosion of flight MH17. American intelligence agencies said that analysis of the launch plume and trajectory suggested the missile was ground fired from an area between Torez and Snizhne.
  10. In an interview with Reuters on 23 July 2014, Alexander Khodakovsky, the commander of the pro-Russian Vostok Battalion, acknowledged that the separatists had an anti-aircraft missile of the type the Americans have said was used to shoot down the aircraft, and said that it could have been sent back to Russia to remove proof of its presence.
  11. On 8 September, the BBC released new material by John Sweeney who cited three civilian witnesses from Donbass who have seen the "Buk" launcher in the rebel-controlled territory on the day when MH17 crashed. Two witnesses said the crew of the launcher and a military vehicle escorting it did not have local accents.
  12. On 22 December the Dutch news service RTL Nieuws published a statement of an unnamed local resident who witnessed the shooting down of MH17, indicating that the plane was shot down by a missile from rebel territory. He took photographs of what appeared to be the vapour trail of a ground-launched missile.
  13. Photographs received from Russia, showed a Ukrainian Jet possibly shooting down MH17, however, these Photos were proven to be "Faked" not long after their release. Why would Russia do this?


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posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: JonStone

...and we are back again at making a list of insinuations to portray a certain picture.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 07:28 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I'm open to seeing Facts to the contrary if any exist.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: JonStone
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

I'm open to seeing Facts to the contrary if any exist.


And I`m open to see the insinuations been given solid backing.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 07:36 PM
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I've provided this information based on events at the time. If it's not solid enough, then someone can provide me with something even more solid. The ball is in the other court now.
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posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: JonStone

Nope, you provide nothing more as insinuations, so the ball is in your park to come of with the proof about it.
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posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
RT documentary about MH17 with a Su-25 flying over 10km.

Reflections on MH17

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I don't believe anything RT says. But you can change my mind, link me to three articles critical of Vladimir Putin since The founding of this " news" station.

If you fail to, it is nothing more than a propaganda machine. It only tells you one side of the story and has agenda .

I know the MSM has a biased view. But at least they criticize the government a problem that to me seems to be lacking from your government sponsored "news" source.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: BornAgainAlien

No those comments show that the (Russia controlled) Nashi troll Army is still hard at work.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 07:58 PM
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I have to agree with Greathouse on this one. I don't trust RT. It's reports have been disproven countless times by several other sources. The network is owned and operated by Putin himself. Not to mention a few reports actually quit, one of them "on the air" because they didn't report facts and were only allowed to print something on Ukraine if it put Ukraine in a negative light. RT is a propagranda machine, which explains why so many Russian citizens seem to be so misinformed on Ukraine. This is the same network that put out the photos of a ukrainian jet shooting down MH17, which many speciallists concluded to be faked.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Flatcoat


And btw, if it was such terrible weather, how did the rebels identify this "NATO bomber" disguised as a domestic flight?


They didnt know, which is why they ended up shooting down a civilian jetliner. Of course once they found out it was not military they removed their twitter posts about their involvement.


Twitter in my opinion is probably going to be the most damning evidence when the investigation is finally released. You know as well as I do nothing is ever truly deleted.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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originally posted by: Greathouse
a reply to: BornAgainAlien

No those comments show that the (Russia controlled) Nashi troll Army is still hard at work.


Got that right, the passed few days they've really been on a Trolling Frenzy. Far more than usual. I bet the only people that believe the propaganda are the fellow trollers themselves.
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posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 08:05 PM
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a reply to: Greathouse



No those comments show that the (Russia controlled) Nashi troll Army is still hard at work.


Do it more, it`s still not clear that a new can has been opened to replace the old ones.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: JonStone

Actually the Nashi trolls seem to be rather bright. I honestly don't believe they believe what they're saying. I think it all boils down to nationalism.



posted on Feb, 26 2015 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: Greathouse



No those comments show that the (Russia controlled) Nashi troll Army is still hard at work.


Do it more, it`s still not clear that a new can has been opened to replace the old ones.


I noticed that you skipped the post where I ask you to prove me wrong about RT.

So I will remind you again, please link me to three articles since RT's founding that are critical of Pooooootin!

I grow tumescent awaiting your reply.

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