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Because the Budapest Memorandum could be used to justify NATO aggression.
Why would Ukraine shoot down a passenger jet with air to air missiles, knowing that the rebels did not have that capacity, when they could have easily shot it down with one of their own BUKs in disputed territory?
So let me get this straight. The rebels decided that just fighting against the Ukraine army wasn't enough of a challenge for them, so they wanted to bring NATO in on the action as well?
Who's to say they didn't? They did have BUK systems in the area even though the rebels have no aircraft...
Excellent point: so why not use a BUK missile? Why use aircraft that the rebels don't have? And why is Russia so insistent that it was aircraft rather than a missile, given that a Ukrainian BUK is far more plausible?
Well, that's the thing. Russia only claimed that there was another aircraft in the area, not that it shot down MH17..those theories came from elsewhere. So what logical reason could the Russians have for inventing a story of another aircraft in the vicinity unless, of course, there was another aircraft in the area.
originally posted by: Flatcoat
a reply to: DJW001
I am looking at it objectively. There are a number of videos of witnesses reporting another aircraft in the vicinity. I tend to put more credence in videoed testimonies than in hearsay and "unnamed sources in the pentagon". That's why I tend to believe that there was another aircraft. That's not saying that it was involved in the shootdown, though I am inclined to believe it was there at least.
The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
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“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.
“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.
“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”
The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.
At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.
originally posted by: Flatcoat
And btw, if it was such terrible weather, how did the rebels identify this "NATO bomber" disguised as a domestic flight?
They didnt know, which is why they ended up shooting down a civilian jetliner. Of course once they found out it was not military they removed their twitter posts about their involvement.