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originally posted by: Prezbo369
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Prezbo369
Are you really trying to tell me that religion doesn't give requirements for getting into heaven?
Correct. Justification is by grace through faith, not by works.
.....so the lifeguards would only save you if you believed in Jesus? how is that not a requirement?, a condition?
Sigh.....spirit? is that really where you're going with this? Besides you said beings and creatures, not 'spirit' having organisms.....whatever a 'spirit' is....
But if you looked into it its their way of life, and eating a neighbor is just par of the course. Our morals are of no consequence to them or other people around the world. And they're not killing in self defense or the defense of others, they're just hungry.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
Because the Bible says faith itself is a gift of God. Faith isn't a work. Remember when Peter said to Jesus "you are the Christ, the Son of the Living God"?
Jesus said "blessed are you Simon bar Jonah, for that was revealed to you by heaven and not from man."
That would be tradition and customs, and often they are against God. I'm talking about the conscious of man. And even the Bible says a repeated sin sears the conscious as if with a hot iron.
No matter how you squirm, or what you quote, you cannot escape the fact that jesus (unlike lifeguards) requires something of you before he will hand you a life jacket...
Kinda destroying your claim that your god decided what was moral for us.....
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Prezbo369
No matter how you squirm, or what you quote, you cannot escape the fact that jesus (unlike lifeguards) requires something of you before he will hand you a life jacket...
Yes, the same thing He required of the thief on the cross. Nothing but belief.
THAT ^^ is false. There are no conditions we have to meet to receive salvation, that's why it's GRACE.
Think if it like the Titanic has already sunk and people are dying in the water. And a helicopter comes by with a line of life for people to be rescued and people reject the lifeline.
Not at all, the cannibal doesn't have to agree to murder being a sin for them to be held accountable for it. Their feeling on the matter doesn't change God's command.
Could you imagine anyone else being so cold or sinister?
Your argument was that your god 'programmed' everyone with it's chosen morality and as you have shown above, that's obviously not true.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
Huh? It's a free ticket out of Hell. LMAO
A judge sentences you to the death penalty for your crimes against the state, but then offers a full pardon if you simply ask him for one. You're telling me you would call that judge "cold and sinister"?
Yes, He has. Even a child knows it's wrong to murder, wrong to steal, wrong to lie et cetra, et cetra.
Sure I would! The judge has given me a death sentence purely because I do not have faith in his existence.
What kind of malicious and vicious judge would do that?........
Even if that were true then the children belonging to the cannibal tribes in the Philippines would know those things were inherently wrong aswel. But as we've discussed.........they don't.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Prezbo369
No, the Judge gave you the death sentence because you are a sinner. The first time you violated your conscious and either lied, stole something, whatever you sinned.
One you made up? That was a straw man.
We discussed that they don't after a time, we have no idea what moral conflict they have with the first murder. The conscious can be seared.
Not at all, see above. There are no redeeming qualities in this god..
No you said something about being a war hero
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Prezbo369
Says YOU.
And you are free to feel that way, proof of the free will you were given.
You've been unable to refute my statement that your god holds its creations to ransom, and is no better than a mobb boss.
originally posted by: NOTurTypical
a reply to: Prezbo369
I can't refute your idea of God. It's a straw man false description of God, it's your personal opinion. And you are free to believe whatever you want, no big deal. I can try and explain it to you a million times, but I cannot understand it for you once.