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originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
a reply to: anarchychaos56
Thanks for sharing, very interesting!
Yes, UFO's and abductions go hand-in-hand.
However, and this is nothing against you, I dislike the term "believer/s".
Many on here use it as a pejorative, and it seems to me that is just another example of social conditioning.
Some here have written recently threads on just "believers", in relation to the UFO phenomenon, though whether the social conditioning is intentional or not is hard to say.
Strange phenomenon gets examined and researched, and labeling people who look at the UFO phenomenon as "believers" is about as logical as labeling people who study anything that is not mainstream as "believers"; would we label people who examine the "Higgs Boson" or "Dark energy" as believers? Of course not.
I suggest reading Mirage Men and about Air Force psychological operations before concluding aliens.
originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
a reply to: anarchychaos56
Thanks for sharing, very interesting!
Yes, UFO's and abductions go hand-in-hand.
However, and this is nothing against you, I dislike the term "believer/s".
Many on here use it as a pejorative, and it seems to me that is just another example of social conditioning.
Some here have written recently threads on just "believers", in relation to the UFO phenomenon, though whether the social conditioning is intentional or not is hard to say.
Strange phenomenon gets examined and researched, and labeling people who look at the UFO phenomenon as "believers" is about as logical as labeling people who study anything that is not mainstream as "believers"; would we label people who examine the "Higgs Boson" or "Dark energy" as believers? Of course not.
originally posted by: Scdfa
originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
a reply to: anarchychaos56
Thanks for sharing, very interesting!
Yes, UFO's and abductions go hand-in-hand.
However, and this is nothing against you, I dislike the term "believer/s".
Many on here use it as a pejorative, and it seems to me that is just another example of social conditioning.
Some here have written recently threads on just "believers", in relation to the UFO phenomenon, though whether the social conditioning is intentional or not is hard to say.
Strange phenomenon gets examined and researched, and labeling people who look at the UFO phenomenon as "believers" is about as logical as labeling people who study anything that is not mainstream as "believers"; would we label people who examine the "Higgs Boson" or "Dark energy" as believers? Of course not.
Great thread, planet X, and great post!
I take offense at the term "believer". It's an inaccurate, heavily biased euphemism used primarily by those that would like to deny the reality of alien contact. They refer to anyone who has weighed the evidence, of which a large part is physical, and come to the conclusion that alien visitation is happening as a "believer". As if they had joined a religious sect. They even try to label people with first-hand knowledge that alien contact is a fact as "believers".
"Belief" is for matters of faith. They can save their "belief" for things like Jesus, trickle-down economics, and the Easter Bunny.
The UFO and alien situation does not require belief. Either you are aware it is true, or you are not aware that it is true. It does not require a majority of the population agreeing to make it true, and it does not need a famous scientist to make it true. It is true, and all the disbelief they can muster won't change that.
It's actually the opposite. It is the UFO denier that relies on "belief". They "believe" the government denials, no matter how absurd. Even when the government claims that the alien bodies at Roswell were just test dummies. A check of the facts reveals that that is not possible, as there were no test dummies until six years after Roswell. Yet, the deniers "believe", though to do so is to stand in stark opposition to the facts. Gotta have faith, I guess!
The deniers "believe" a farce like Project Bluebook, even after the chief investigator, J. Allen Hyneck, stated publicly and repeatedly that their mission was to cover-up the truth, and to mislead the public.
Some deniers still "believe" the Condon report, despite the fact that half of the scientist quit after Condon instructed them that there would be no finding for UFOs.
Who is the true "believer" in this issue?
I think it is clear. And it ain't us.
originally posted by: anarchychaos56
It is the topic of cattle mutilation, as related by Linda Moulton How's. She was awarded an emmy for her documentary, " A Strange Harvest" which aired on msm, back in the 80's
Astronaut Gordon Cooper, wrote a letter addressed to the United Nations in 1978 asking the organisation to set up a research programme to study UFOs. It was in 1951 when the astronaut was driving an F-86 over Germany that he spotted saucers. He later went to space on Mercury 9 in the year 1963 and on the Gemini 5 in ’65.
President Jimmy Carter, US President from 1976 to 1980, promised while on the campaign trail that he would make public all documents on UFOs if elected. He said: "I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. I've seen one myself."
Senator Barry Goldwater, (1965) tried to gain access to a secret building at Wright-Patterson AFB rumored to house top UFO material, but is refused. "I certainly believe in aliens in space, and that they are indeed visiting our planet. They may not look like us, but I have very strong feelings that they have advanced beyond our mental capabilities."
Walter Cronkite, one of the most trusted reporters and anchorman on TV. In the 1950s, Walter Cronkite was invited to a Pacific island with other reporters to observe an Air Force display of their new missile. As it launched, according to Cronkite, a flying object in the shape of a disc hovered in the sky. The UFO later fired a bluish beam towards the missile but it also hit an Air Force security personnel and his dog. The security guard, the dog, and the missile froze in place after the beam hit them, reports say. The reporters, in shock, were told by a colonel that the Air Force has been working on a new technology and wanted to test how people will react when they see it in action. Cronkite and other reporters were told not to report the incident.
President Harry S. Truman, Truman climbs on board: "I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth"
President John F Kennedy, "The US Airforce assures me that UFO's pose no threat to National Security."
Air Marshall Azim Daudpota, Zimbabwe Air Force "This was no ordinary UFO. Scores of people saw it. It was no illusion, no deception, no imagination."
J Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI from its inception in 1935 to 1972, said of a famous incident when flying saucers were allegedly fired at over Los Angeles in 1942: "We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the LA case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."
General Nathan Twining, Chairman, Joint chiefs of staff, 1955-1958"The UFO phenomenon being reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious"
Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a Vatican theologian, said: "Extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. The Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its embassies in various countries, such as Mexico, Chile and Venezuela."
Professor Stephen Hawking,: "Of course it is possible that UFO's really do contain aliens as many people believe, and the Government is hushing it up."
Professor Michio Kaku My own thoughts include, what if "they" aren't (all) from another planet? Even today we have people living at fairly advanced levels, technology-wise, while others remain in the Brazilian rainforest in the Stone Age, seemingly oblivious to our existence. Perhaps they've been here for a very long time, and we ourselves are almost oblivious to their existence?
Albert M. Chop, deputy public relations director, (NASA) "I've been convinced for a long time that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Another words we are being watched by beings from outer space.
Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, (Former director of the Central Intelligence Agency)"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is. I can tell you, behind the scenes, high ranking military officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs"
originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE
Paul Hellyer is NOT credible to anyone in Canada! Huffington Post exposes Hellyer's fake source which he claimed was Snowden, but in reality was garbage.
Are cattle mutilations carried out by aliens? Not according to the man who discovered them. Unless of course, aliens use human gas masks and glowsticks.
I suggest reading Mirage Men and about Air Force psychological operations before concluding aliens.
originally posted by: network dude
If you stop and think about it logically for a bit, you find that if Extraterrestrial life is real, AND we are being visited regularly and abducted, we as a species are SCREWED! It would mean that an advanced group has free reign to do whatever they like with us and out planet. And out leaders could do nothing but beg for mercy.
That's not to say it's impossible, just really unlikely. So far, all my evidence for UFO's fits into a "it's our own technology" basket. I'd love to be wrong, but would also be a bit nervous.
Dr. Jacobs says we are left with one of two alternatives:
1. If the abductions are not happening, then this is the most interesting psychological phenomenon ever encountered – yet no one in psychological academia is willing to study it.
2. Abductions are happening, and the governments of the world cannot stop them, thus would like to cover up the whole phenomenon.
originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
a reply to: JadeStar
You go on believing what you want to believe, follow the MSM meme. It is tough to break free of the social conditioning, I know it took me over four decades. I have some advice for you, you seem to be emotionally attached to your position, THAT is when bias can influence you. Try to not let your position be part of your identity, your ego will try to do that, it likes to identify with material things and ideas. Thus, when your ideas are challenged the ego will see it as a threat to its survival, and your body will go into fight/flight mode, hormonal overload, and that is not conducive to rational discussion.
The evidence of UFO's being otherworldly is overwhelming, much of it is on ATS. If you choose to ignore it, and again I say, follow the MSM meme, that is your choice, but I'm not going to lay it out here.
You seem to be on some kind of personal quest to convince people that aliens are not visiting and interacting with our planet, why is that?
You seem to take it personally that people would be even investigating this.
What did you expect to find on ATS?'
Did you think this would be like the Huff Post science section?
originally posted by: PlanetXisHERE
Another question I have is this, what if there are no aliens, but just another advanced race living in secret on the earth? I concede this could also be a possibility.