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Religion needs to die

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posted on Jan, 9 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

It's a rant. That's why it is in the RANT forum.


Yes, indeed it is, but that is no excuse.

Well, when you make a statement such as "religion needs to die", you are in effect, slapping the faces of any man, woman, and child who considers themselves to be religious. Now, while I believe religion (by religion, I mean salvation by works) is in itself dangerous to the eternal soul of the individual, it still isnt my place to say that "religion must die". That is an inflammatory statement made from ignorance. You cant expect people to read your words and say, "oh, that's just his/her opinion"....especially on a forum that requires its members to DENY IGNRONCE.

So, I will agree with you, the world will one day be better off without religion, but I will not advocate the dismantling of religion by man's hand, as such past attempts have resulted in genocide.

If religion is to die, it will be by God's very own hand. He is the only qualified judge.
edit on 9-1-2015 by BELIEVERpriest because: typo




posted on Jan, 9 2015 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
a reply to: queenofswords

It has already been tried on a mass level with over a third of the world's population, the old Soviet Union and Republic of China.

Marx called religion "The opium of the people" and the Communist Manifesto instructed atheism.

Lenin said "Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism, of the theory and practice of scientific socialism.".

As we know this was not sustainable and the experiment failed miserably. In China right now Christianity is booming and in Russia also. The Russian Orthodox Church has been totally reinstated.

So, in one respect you and Marx have something in common. You agree with an aspect of The Communist Manifesto. That Manifesto was given a chance. We know what became of it.

Point made.



Communism didnt fail from lack of religion...it failes because the potential for fraud was too high.

No checks no balances. Yes religious sponsored morality is a good check at times, a decent human heart being in power moves mountains.

Too bad only the greedy power mongers ever scheme their way to the top.

If only a good heart could make it...if only once....this entire world would move and all would benefit.

I really wanted ron paul to win for this reason, and "the good man" ralph nader.

One day just once, a decent human will finally reach power, they will change the world for the good of all, and be killed on their 3rd day in office.



posted on Jan, 9 2015 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

So fine. You go do that, but why do you think you are qualified to dictate to others that what works for you should be what they do too?

I like being spiritual in and of myself, so even though you very much need the support of your faith community, I think it should die ... and *POOF* it's gone!



posted on Jan, 9 2015 @ 06:10 PM
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a reply to: borntowatch

I just want to be a part of it. I don't want to kill to do it. I'll do it by indoctrinating the young. Then when the time comes, poof. I won't even get to see it but it'll happen. Chip away, chip away. Please don't get mad at me because I do not believe in religion. I was never into a collective hive thought process. I don't have horns or blind in one eye. I don't have many arms. I will not reincarnate into something else or the same. I will simply be turned off at the time of my death and cease to exist. I enjoy the few years our race has unhindered by a reward in a fictional afterlife.

I never could understand why any god would take the time to torture me for all eternity. Sounds crazy.
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posted on Jan, 9 2015 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

They are all dying on their own except one.



posted on Jan, 9 2015 @ 09:22 PM
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I have read each and every one of these posts. Some of you got what I was saying and some of you thought I was advocating the banning of religion and/or condemning those who embrace a religion. I was not. I'm not seeking to take action, legally, legislatively, nor personally against religion. I think it will ultimately just die. It is an obsolete spiritually destructive construct. I see spiritual communities rather than doctrinal institutions in the future.

Religion....organized religion...has become a business in a way, imho. It wraps itself around a doctrinal interpretation of a set of scriptures and seeks members to support it. It creates heirophants and sycophants. It controls and limits; it hinders and binds. And it is dangerous in my personal opinion.



posted on Jan, 9 2015 @ 09:53 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
I have read each and every one of these posts. Some of you got what I was saying and some of you thought I was advocating the banning of religion and/or condemning those who embrace a religion. I was not. I'm not seeking to take action, legally, legislatively, nor personally against religion. I think it will ultimately just die. It is an obsolete spiritually destructive construct. I see spiritual communities rather than doctrinal institutions in the future.

Religion....organized religion...has become a business in a way, imho. It wraps itself around a doctrinal interpretation of a set of scriptures and seeks members to support it. It creates heirophants and sycophants. It controls and limits; it hinders and binds. And it is dangerous in my personal opinion.




Oh if thats what you meant then I totally agree with most of it.

The part about religion dying, never happen till Christ returns and He destroys it



posted on Jan, 9 2015 @ 11:32 PM
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I'm an atheist, I don't believe humans for the most part are ready to function without the social codes that religion provides.

Perhaps they can start by tweaking the crazy a little.

Baby Steps.



posted on Jan, 9 2015 @ 11:38 PM
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Ahh.. but then the primitves on this rock would have fewer reasons to butcher each other .. justify their theft.. greed.. adultery.. bloodlust .. bigotry .. lose their ill gotten gains and their control and oppression of the mindless masses ..

its long past time humanity dumped the primitve.. barbaric .. bloodthirsty .. primitive superstition called religion..
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posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 12:51 AM
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I agree with Friedrich Nietzsche.

~ I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.

~ Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?

~ Every church is a stone on the grave of a god-man: it does not want him to rise up again under any circumstances.

~ God is a thought who makes crooked all that is straight.

~ There is not enough religion in the world even to destroy religion.

~ The Christian resolution to find the world ugly and bad has made the world ugly and bad.

~ In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.

~ After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands.

~ A subject for a great poet would be God's boredom after the seventh day of creation.

~ In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.

~ Mystical explanations are thought to be deep; the truth is that they are not even shallow.

~ Once spirit was God, then it became man, and now it is even becoming mob.




posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 02:14 AM
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I have my own issues with organized religion, but we have to remember that organized religion was organized by people. People are flawed. Do you honestly think that by religion dying out, that people won't be flawed anymore?

There will always be people who want to control others. If they don't have organized religion as their excuse, they will find another excuse.



posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 02:42 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

No, but they won't be able to blame religion. They don't get a free ticket to heaven if the pray for forgiveness. They won't get to justify their stance because some book told them so. They won't have an out. They will have to rationalize in a different way, with facts.



posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 03:07 AM
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The problem seems to be people expect their beliefs to be respected. This needs to end. No belief system on earth is beyond criticism, yet religious moderates try to enforce this taboo, for the sake of their own beliefs, where in fact no belief system deserves automatic respect all should be open to criticism and indeed ridicule



posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 03:51 AM
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I prefer not to worship anyone/thing that demands my participation and promises rewards based on fear.
I should "fear God?" why?, because he will punish me?
ok scary God, have your way with me, I've been a good human, I've contributed to society, I've not harmed anyone in a serious manner, I've done my best to be honest and transparent, I've done things I regret and sought forviveness from my own conciousness, I've not been perfect ( if perfectness can ever be measured?) and I will never understand why perfectly sane human beings can ever overcome logic and believe that there will be anything other than decaying into oblivion after death. Physically or spiritually. Just dosent compute by logic alone.

But Im not here to tell any one that their beliefs are wrong, because, how would I know? I haven't died recently.

But (also), the entire killing in the name of, has me wondering how anyone could justify holding a religion (particularly christian) to be something they would want to be associated with. My mind boggles, I do hope religions die and we can just get on with living the "life" we know we have been given, the here and now, the REAL truth, because anything else is just blind faith, wishful thinking, hoping and desperate groping to try and avoid facing the real probability that we only get this one shot at life, then its all over, death is certain, anything else is trying to avoid the fear of death IMO.



posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 04:03 AM
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Religion exists because the mind is complex, i.e., it is irrational and rational.

Also, religion exists in different forms. For example, both Marxism and capitalism can be seen as secular religions.



posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 08:28 AM
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Will it? Then how come in China ( almost a third of the world population) there are an increasing amount of people turning to Christianity? Why is The Russian Orthodox Church continuing to grow and find its place as the Church of that nation? I think that in Britain and the U.S people are losing interest in religion. I do not think it is dying out on a world level. Go to India and tell yourself that religion is dying out.

Because the more oppressed a people are, the more they start looking outside of themselves for a savior. This is an in for religion. If some of the other religions were as invasive as some sects of Xtianity, they would have latched on to those instead.



posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 08:37 AM
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It seems that part of the Atheism agenda is to rid the world of religion in the BELIEF that it will make everything better. This was given a chance with Communism. Even with all the might of state and power religion could not be silenced.

Are all Xtians Catholic? Are all Xtians Protestant?

For the millionth time. Not all atheists are a single group of single mind. Nor do we hold meetings in anyone's basement to conspire against the religions of the world. Atheists are as splintered and individual as Xtians are. We are united by one, and only one basic tenet. We lack a belief in deities.

There are several types of atheists. Anti-theists, anti-religionists, anti-spiritualists, and so on. Yes, there are a growing number of atheist/anti-theists. For good reason, in my opinion, but that's another thread. My point is, you can't blanket define atheists, any more than you can Xtians.



posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: LOSTinAMERICA
a reply to: kaylaluv

No, but they won't be able to blame religion. They don't get a free ticket to heaven if the pray for forgiveness. They won't get to justify their stance because some book told them so. They won't have an out. They will have to rationalize in a different way, with facts.


They'll make up their own facts. People do it all the time. They will justify their stance any way they want to. They will give themselves an out. Abolishing religion won't change anything about what people do to each other. It will only change the rationale.



posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud
So, in one respect you and Marx have something in common. You agree with an aspect of The Communist Manifesto. That Manifesto was given a chance. We know what became of it.

Point made.


What point? That communism in a CAPITALISM world doesn't work especially when borbarded by economic wars TO MAKE SURE that communism didn't work.

Saying that communism was given a chance is like telling people that someone rapped all his life was given a chance to live fully.



posted on Jan, 10 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: infinityorder

Communism didnt fail from lack of religion...it failes because the potential for fraud was too high.

No checks no balances. Yes religious sponsored morality is a good check at times, a decent human heart being in power moves mountains.

Too bad only the greedy power mongers ever scheme their way to the top.

If only a good heart could make it...if only once....this entire world would move and all would benefit.

I really wanted ron paul to win for this reason, and "the good man" ralph nader.

One day just once, a decent human will finally reach power, they will change the world for the good of all, and be killed on their 3rd day in office.


Good post, indeed that someone would be killed quite fast.

It's sad, I really believe in a system of socialism/communism that would deal with the basic necessities with capitalism to reign on the individual's consumerism. I really don't see how capitalism will feed, house and educate everyone in the world.



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