Report: Up To 2,000 Feared Slaughtered After Islamists Burn Down Entire Nigerian Town For 'Allah'

a reply to: mobiusmale

The only Muslims you hear about and end up in international headlines are not your average Muslims in say Indonesia or Morocco. Only radical nutcases get attention and the spotlight. Now tell me I'm wrong please.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: butcherguy

So what Quran* is Boko Haram reading?

Seems even followers of the Quran are being misled. The ACTUAL text of 5:32 is as follows:

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

So, if the soul is "corrupt" in the eyes of Islam it's perfectly okay to kill them, it seems.

Source

But no, let's abbreviate the verse and use it out of context. I hate that people misquote this Quran verse so much. It's intentionally misleading, and for a reason.

a reply to: thesaneone

Lol another one of my favourite members...


What would an islamic thread be without your confrontational demeanour?

You know what this >>> means?
It means I was joking!

This had Nothing to do with religion.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
This had Nothing to do with religion.

Then what was it about?

And to steer this back towards a question I was hoping someone would answer - without my having to ask it?

Why is this allowed? Or if not 'allowed' why is the world not reacting to this genocide!? Why is the collective world turning their backs on 2000 - TWO THOUSAND DEAD - but glued to their computers over the killings in France?

Ok there's oil - but not that much - not really.

More likely it's the 'world-owners' who can't wait to bring back the great land of Africa as the greenhouse for their people - and those people are surely not the 'parasites' who currently live there.

I just don't get it.

peace

a reply to: thesaneone

Exactly, that's what I want to know.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You want the full true version...
Without the paraphrasing....

Fair enough!!!

For this reason, We decreed the Children of Isre'il that whoever kills a person not in retaliation for a person killed, (nor as a punishment) for spreading disorder on the Earth, is as if he killed the whole of humankind, & whoever saves the life of a person is as if they have saved the life of the whole of humankind.

Certainly out messengers have come with clear signs.
Then, after all that, many of them are there to commit excesses on the Earth.

So now you see the entire context!


& pretty much the paraphrased version is no different!

I hate that people misquote this Quran verse so much. It's intentionally misleading, and for a reason.

You said it, pal!

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: butcherguy

So what Quran* is Boko Haram reading?

Why don't you also post at least 109 verses that contains Quran where it calls Muslims to go to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

It appears that you're muslim (since you always see the need to protect islam in every thread) so I guess you're aware of what I'm talking about. If not I don't mind posting here all the verses.

There is nothing peaceful in a religion that 1500 years (to round up) after its creation causes only death and terror. Whoever thinks differently is either trying to deceive others or has a strong sense of denying reality.

a reply to: thesaneone

Nigeria has been locked in an almost permanent state of civil war for decades. There are too many militia groups to really count that actively engage what represents Nigerian security forces and its infrastructure.

Conflict in the Niger Delta

The current conflict in the Niger Delta arose in the early 1990s over tensions between foreign oil corporations and a number of the Niger Delta's minority ethnic groups who feel they are being exploited, particularly the Ogoni and the Ijaw. Ethnic and political unrest has continued throughout the 1990s and persists as of 2013 despite the conversion to democracy and the election of the Obasanjo government in 1999. Competition for oil wealth has fueled violence between many ethnic groups, causing the militarization of nearly the entire region by ethnic militia groups as well as Nigerian military and police forces (notably the Nigerian Mobile Police). Victims of crimes are fearful of seeking justice for crimes committed against them because of growing "impunity from prosecution for individuals responsible for serious human rights abuses, [which] has created a devastating cycle of increasing conflict and violence"

Compunded by the fact over 70% of the population live on less than a dollar a day and the destabilizing effects of Libyia to the North, things will only get much worse.

a reply to: Telos

And you know what, to anticipate your reply and end this charade once and for all I'm posting some lines anyway:

The Quran:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to this verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution" (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah." The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.



Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."



Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.



Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."


Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast TERROR into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').



Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.



Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."



Quran (4:95) - ". Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (iNot equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their personsn Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).



Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?



Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"



Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.



Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."



Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" From the historical context we know that the "persecution" spoken of here was simply the refusal by the Meccans to allow Muhammad to enter their city and perform the Haj. Other Muslims were able to travel there, just not as an armed group, since Muhammad declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah." According to Ibn Ishaq (324), Muhammad justified the violence further by explaining that "Allah must have no rivals."



Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."



Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."



Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.



Quran (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."


Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

You want the full true version...
Without the paraphrasing....

Fair enough!!!

For this reason, We decreed the Children of Isre'il that whoever kills a person not in retaliation for a person killed, (nor as a punishment) for spreading disorder on the Earth, is as if he killed the whole of humankind, & whoever saves the life of a person is as if they have saved the life of the whole of humankind.

Certainly out messengers have come with clear signs.
Then, after all that, many of them are there to commit excesses on the Earth.

So now you see the entire context!


& pretty much the paraphrased version is no different!

I hate that people misquote this Quran verse so much. It's intentionally misleading, and for a reason.

You said it, pal!

You want a battle of Quran verse? Here goes. RIGHT AFTER Quran 5:32, the following is said:

Quran 5:33

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

So, the enemies of Allah are to be slain and/or dismembered. Or is there another "translation" you'd like to give this one?

Source

a reply to: Telos

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. This was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in just the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.




Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"


Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).




Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.



Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."




Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."



Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."



Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story, which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source, tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son.



Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"



Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.



Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.



Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similtudes. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners," Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle. The verse goes on to say the only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is in order to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test. "But if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost."



Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you," This very important verse asserts that the Religion of Peace is not to grant peace to the broader society until Islamic rule has been established.



Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?



Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.



Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way" Religion of Peace, indeed! This is followed by (61:9): "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist."

a reply to: Telos

There is plenty more but I think I made my point and I rest my case!!!

a reply to: Telos

I'm also aware as a Muslim that an "unbeliever" is someone who wages war against Islam...

Quote a verse that corroborates what you're saying, but I advise you to read the verse before it for clarification...

You will always find that those unbelievers are always described as someone waging war on Islam.
Physical war such as the Crusades.


That is the true context.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: Telos

I'm also aware as a Muslim that an "unbeliever" is someone who wages war against Islam...

Quote a verse that corroborates what you're saying, but I advise you to read the verse before it for clarification...

You will always find that those unbelievers are always described as someone waging war on Islam.
Physical war such as the Crusades.


That is the true context.

Islam calls unbelievers or infidels all them who are not muslims. So 6 billion souls in this planet are deemed to be a preferable target by a religion based on psychopathic principals. No thanks, I prefer my atheism and the right to live and let live. I don't mind you and your religion. I deserve the same right. End of conversation.

a reply to: Telos

There is nothing peaceful in a religion that calls for the killing of children and women and whole towns, and anyone who worships a different god. Think I'm talking about the Quran? Nope - talking about the Bible. There are also very gentle and loving elements of the Quran and the Bible. There's not a whole lot of difference between the Quran and the Bible. The difference is how people choose to live by it.

When you have groups of people who have felt oppressed (economically, politically, socially), some of those people get very angry, and they want to vent that anger by killing and controlling others. They use the religion to justify it because they think that is the way to get otherwise peaceful religious people to join their hateful cause.

The religion itself is not the problem. People are the problem.

Off topic post removed to prevent thread drift!

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Telos

There is nothing peaceful in a religion that calls for the killing of children and women and whole towns, and anyone who worships a different god. Think I'm talking about the Quran? Nope - talking about the Bible. There are also very gentle and loving elements of the Quran and the Bible. There's not a whole lot of difference between the Quran and the Bible. The difference is how people choose to live by it.

When you have groups of people who have felt oppressed (economically, politically, socially), some of those people get very angry, and they want to vent that anger by killing and controlling others. They use the religion to justify it because they think that is the way to get otherwise peaceful religious people to join their hateful cause.

The religion itself is not the problem. People are the problem.

The difference being a significant number of Christians aren't going around beheading people believing in a different god anymore.

You conveniently forgot to make that distinction.

a reply to: Telos

"Let there be no compulsion in Faith" means you atheists are safe!


You have nothing to worry about.


Unless ISIS invade, but they'd kill me as well so swings & roundabouts, eh!