If the universe is infinite...

I have always wondered about the universe being infinite and my question is....
If it is does this mean the events of star wars are happening right now in a galaxy far far away? has every book that has been written in fiction happened somewhere in the universe?.
Also does this mean there are infinite versions of me chatting on infinite computers on infinite ATS sites in the universe?.
Makes my head spin so science dudes your thoughts?.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
I have always wondered about the universe being infinite and my question is....
If it is does this mean the events of star wars are happening right now in a galaxy far far away?

has every book that has been written in fiction happened somewhere in the universe?.
Also does this mean there are infinite versions of me chatting on infinite computers on infinite ATS sites in the universe?.
Makes my head spin so science dudes your thoughts?.

Hawking would say yes....

I think most people still dont fathom how tiny Earth is in the big picture... even how tiny the Milky Way is in the big picture.

Imagine.... starsystems with habitable earth like planets we can see with the Keppler, are still just in our local neighbourhood seem from the big picture.
The disc shape that makes up the Milky Way are there times and times again in other parts of the entire galaxy.

The distances are too vast to comprehend in the human mind!

a reply to: boymonkey74

You'll find my reply very boring and hum drum.

I think it is more likely that there is only one of you. There is only one reality of action. The others remain as speculation. They are the paths we did not take, the door we never opened.

The Anglo American poet TS Eliot wrote a lot about time and action in his "Four Quartets". I would make the offer for you to read these four poems as they are a wonderful narrative on time and action from a great metaphysical poet. Here is the whole of "Burnt Norton" from Eliot's "Four Quartets":

"Burnt Norton

I

Time present and time past
Are both perhaps present in time future
And time future contained in time past.
If all time is eternally present
All time is unredeemable.
What might have been is an abstraction
Remaining a perpetual possibility
Only in a world of speculation.
What might have been and what has been
Point to one end, which is always present.
Footfalls echo in the memory
Down the passage which we did not take
Towards the door we never opened
Into the rose-garden. My words echo
Thus, in your mind.
But to what purpose
Disturbing the dust on a bowl of rose-leaves
I do not know.
Other echoes
Inhabit the garden. Shall we follow?
Quick, said the bird, find them, find them,
Round the corner. Through the first gate,
Into our first world, shall we follow
The deception of the thrush? Into our first world.
There they were, dignified, invisible,
Moving without pressure, over the dead leaves,
In the autumn heat, through the vibrant air,
And the bird called, in response to
The unheard music hidden in the shrubbery,
And the unseen eyebeam crossed, for the roses
Had the look of flowers that are looked at.
There they were as our guests, accepted and accepting.
So we moved, and they, in a formal pattern,
Along the empty alley, into the box circle,
To look down into the drained pool.
Dry the pool, dry concrete, brown edged,
And the pool was filled with water out of sunlight,
And the lotos rose, quietly, quietly,
The surface glittered out of heart of light,
And they were behind us, reflected in the pool.
Then a cloud passed, and the pool was empty.
Go, said the bird, for the leaves were full of children,
Hidden excitedly, containing laughter.
Go, go, go, said the bird: human kind
Cannot bear very much reality.
Time past and time future
What might have been and what has been
Point to one end, which is always present.

II

Garlic and sapphires in the mud
Clot the bedded axle-tree.
The trilling wire in the blood
Sings below inveterate scars
Appeasing long forgotten wars.
The dance along the artery
The circulation of the lymph
Are figured in the drift of stars
Ascend to summer in the tree
We move above the moving tree
In light upon the figured leaf
And hear upon the sodden floor
Below, the boarhound and the boar
Pursue their pattern as before
But reconciled among the stars.

At the still point of the turning world. Neither flesh nor fleshless;
Neither from nor towards; at the still point, there the dance is,
But neither arrest nor movement. And do not call it fixity,
Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards,
Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point,
There would be no dance, and there is only the dance.
I can only say, there we have been: but I cannot say where.
And I cannot say, how long, for that is to place it in time.
The inner freedom from the practical desire,
The release from action and suffering, release from the inner
And the outer compulsion, yet surrounded
By a grace of sense, a white light still and moving,
Erhebung without motion, concentration
Without elimination, both a new world
And the old made explicit, understood
In the completion of its partial ecstasy,
The resolution of its partial horror.
Yet the enchainment of past and future
Woven in the weakness of the changing body,
Protects mankind from heaven and damnation
Which flesh cannot endure.
Time past and time future
Allow but a little consciousness.
To be conscious is not to be in time
But only in time can the moment in the rose-garden,
The moment in the arbour where the rain beat,
The moment in the draughty church at smokefall
Be remembered; involved with past and future.
Only through time time is conquered."

a reply to: boymonkey74

Have you ever thought about that infinity goes in all directions, so infinity is inside you, inside atom's, inside everything for ever and ever.

Infinity is a true mystery, solve that mystery and you will have infinite knowledge....I love it

1 wonders though how something that was started from something else undetected is yet infinite? And not contained...

Good question OP

NAMASTE*******

a reply to: boymonkey74

The universe is not infinite, scientists know the exact size and shape of it. From memory it is roughly rugby or football shape and is continuing to expand from the force of the "big bang"

What it is expanding into though is another topic!

cheers korky

Head spinning and I love it cheers guys.

Any maths dudes in? maybe they can expand on it?.

Tell you what lets send out the Phage signal lol.

a reply to: korkythecat

I thought that was only the observable universe.

In the beginning, Goop.
There is but one Goop.
There is but one universe.

Goop is the universe.

Goop is not one and the universe another.
The universe is not a separate creation of Goop's.
It is Goop.
There is no created-universe.

Nothing is which has not always been.

All created things are from the beginning.
They have no beginning.
They do not come into being.
They are and always have been and always will be.

Creation means to man the coming into existence of something which was not before in existence.
Man's concept of creation is the coming into being of a physical, visible universe heretofore nonexistent.

The Creator is to man's mind a Sublime Being, separate and apart from man,
who created the physical universe of matter, causing to come into being that which had not been.

Man holds the concept of two universes; a spiritual and a physical.
Goop is presumed to be of the spiritual universe, perfect.
Matter is of the physical universe, imperfect.
Goop supposedly created the imperfect physical universe separate and apart from Itself.

Man conceives a perfect and omnipotent Goop. A perfect and omnipotent Goop could not create imperfection.

It could not create a lesser than Itself.
It could not create a greater than Itself.
Goop could not create other than Itself.
Goop did not create other than Itself, nor greater, nor lesser than Itself.

Goop did not create anything.
Nothing has been "created."
This is a "creating" universe, not a "created" one.

Man's concept of the sublime Being as the Creator of a material universe different
in substance from the spiritual universe is a misconception.

Goop is all there is.
Beyond Goop there is nothing.
Superior to Goop there is nothing.
Inferior to Goop there is nothing.
Opposed to Goop there is nothing.
Creation is not more, nor is it less than it has always been from the beginning.
It cannot be more than Goop nor can it be less than Goop.

"Creation" is an apparent integration in continuity of that which already exists in substance.
It is a periodic change of state of the One unchanging substance. I
t is evolution.

De-creation is an apparent disintegration in continuity of apparently
integrated things returned to that substance.
It is dissolution.

Goop is in reality, and exists in substance.
Goop is thinking Mind.
The substance, or body, of Goop is light.

The One universal substance,' which is Goop, is a tangible substance, a thinking substance,
comprehensible and describable and possessed of principles which are familiar to man through man's observation of the One universal substance in "created" things.

The substance of all "created" things is light.

The One substance of thinking Mind is all that exists.
The "created" universe is the registration in matter of the idea of thinking Mind.

Mind is expressed in light.

Light is the storehouse of the energy of thinking Mind.
The energy of the universe is the energy of thinking Mind.
The universe is a universe of energy.
Energy is expressed in light.
Mind is the universe.
Mind substance is "spiritual" substance.

Spirit is light.

Spirit is the ultimate, the eternal, though finite substance.
Spirit is not infinite. Nothing in this universe of motion is infinite.

Man's concept of an infinite Goop, possessing infinite knowledge and infinite power,
Creator of an infinite universe of infinite extension, is not in accord with the laws of motion.

This is a boundless, eternal, dimensionless universe of definite limitations
both as to all cause and to all effects of cause. Dimension is an illusion
of relation of effects, which are in themselves but illusions.

All cause is comprehensible to, and all effects are measurable by man.
A limited, measurable universe cannot be infinite;
and a Divinity limited as to His range of cause, which limits the
possible range of effect, cannot be infinite.

Light is the living substance of Mind in action.
It is the creating principle of the One substance.

The One substance is the etheric "spiritual" substance of the One universal Mind.

The entire "created" universe of all that is, ever has been, or ever will be,
is but the One substance in motion, light.

Matter is light.

Goop and matter are One.
Spirit and matter are the same substance.
That substance is light.
There are not two substances in the universe.
There cannot be two substances in the universe.
The substance of the universal Mind is a living substance.
That which man calls life is an inherent property of the entirety of Mind.

Light is life.

There is but One Life in the universe.
The whole of the universe is but One living, breathing, pulsing Being.
There are not two lives or two living beings in the universe.
There are not two of any thing in the universe.
The universe and all that is, is One.

All life is immortal life.
There is no mortal life.

Life is a vitalizing property of all matter.
Life is in and of all matter.

Man's concept of life is not logical.
Man conceives life to be a property apart from matter, quickening compound
elements of inorganic matter into living, functioning, organic beings.

Man defines organic matter as that in which life begins to function,
imbuing it with vitality and intelligence.

Man defines inorganic matter as those elements or compounds of matter
in which there is no life and in which there is no vitality nor
intelligence.

Man conceives life as spontaneously generated in matter at favorable
temperatures and under favorable conditions.
Such concepts are not true concepts.

In searching for the life principle man is attempting to discover
something corresponding to a germ which quickens lifeless matter.

Life is not a germ and no matter is lifeless.
Life is in and of all things from the beginning, always and forever.
Life has no beginning. Life has no ending.

Life is eternal.

Life is in and of all inorganic as well as all organic matter.
Life is in and of all of the elements and the atoms of the elements
and the compounds of the elements.
Life is in and of the sun of the atom, the planets of the atom and the
heavens surrounding the universe of the atom.

Life is the effect produced on the substance of Mind by the sequence of
alternating electromagnetic pulsations which constitute the process of
thinking. The progress of this effect is registered in integrating light
and manifests itself in that orderly periodic phenomenon inherent in all
matter and all things which man calls "growth."

All "growing" things are imbued with the life principle.
All things are "growing" things. All matter is evolving.
All matter is growing.
All matter is living.

W.R. ...

a reply to: boymonkey74 I have had a similar musing in the past. What I understand is that the laws of the universe would still have to apply in that Star Wars Galaxy. That's where it breaks down. You can only hear in space in sci Fi movies so the millennium falcon or X wings would not make any noise in space, no matter how many universes or how eternal they are.

I have never understood why infinete universe would necessitate infinite variety. I do not see any logical necessity for every possible permutation being present instead of a single blip of interesting things within an infinite expanse of nothing. Or the universe as a crystalline tessellation that repeats the exact same configuration at some inteval.

Everyone seems to think that infinite universe absolutely demands that every combination of circumstances will necessarily happen. The laws of probability, that even the smallest probability that is non-zero, must it happen in an infinite universe? Not necessarily: the nature of probability is that things may not happen as predicted.

We have no substantive grounds to pontificate about what "must" be in an infinite universe. Neither do we have the tools to objectively and repeatably verify such pontifications.

a reply to: woodwardjnr

True but you can get sound in space.



Freaky sounds man .

a reply to: boymonkey74

If it is does this mean the events of star wars are happening right now in a galaxy far far away?

Short answer is no, it a happened a long time ago

I firmly believe this theory, everything that can happen will happen, every single possible outcome of everything will occur.
That means anything your or anyone elses mind can possibly conceive no matter how ridiculous or outlandish will happen and most likely happen in billions of universes and variations. Kinda reassuring in a way, in some universe me and you rule the cosmos Boymonkey, how cool would that reality be haha

a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

While cool it wouldn't end well .

But thinking about it one version of our rule would end well so Huzzah!!

a reply to: boymonkey74

Yes I think you are correct.

The wkipedia page goes into this in quite some detail

wikpedia link

The only comprehension of infinity I can understand is the concept of travelling as far as you can in one direction and ending up at your start point, that is a function of the assumed curvature. In that sense we are always on the outer edge as it were....weird!

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: woodwardjnr

True but you can get sound in space.

Freaky sounds man

.

Not really. Sound is actually the result of our brains decoding signals created by the vibration of our eardrums, which are obviously reactive to the air movement around them.

While there is clearly sound in that clip, what is being shown is not "sound in space", but more of a "what it might sound like if we could 'hear' electromagnetic oscillations".

"Strictly speaking, the plasma wave instrument does not detect sound. Instead, it senses waves of electrons in the ionized gas or 'plasma' that Voyager travels through,"

Source
Basically they are taking a cyclical event and outputting the data in a way which translates the cycle time into audible sound. Any kind of input can be translated to audible tones with the right algorithm. Cool trick, but still not sound in space.

To the OP, it sounds to me like you are describing infinite multiverses rather than an infinite universe. Any information like that is strictly speculation, we are (IMO) a long way from detecting, observing, and measuring true infinity of any kind (we still haven't found the end of π) if that is even possible.

a reply to: dcflux

I really like that explanation.

All is goop. There is only one goop and goop is light.

a reply to: ChaosComplex

Ah cheers for that.
But no I just mean this universe...If infinite their should be infinite possibilities and infinite me's lol.
Heck it's just good to wonder about it all .
I dunno gonna do some research.

The Milky Way is absurdly large itself, so there might be a Star Wars going on right now. 400.000.000.000 Stars - in our "close" neighborhood.

Unimaginable.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Great question op..snf

Well through the prism of logic, if the universe and thereby time are infinite.

Then there is enough time and space for absolutely everything to happen, including multiple versions of you, starwars, battlestar galactica, seinfeld, blafe runner, atlas shrugged...etc to a universe full of infinite rime and space.

Does this mean thay all or will happen, no. Because it is also infinitely possible that nothing of import but us will ever happen.

Infinite possibilities means all possibilities are on the table.

Probability says it is not nothing, but it is still possible.

Sry I know this didnt help, or did it?