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France: Was Paris shooting a false flag

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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:45 AM
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The news media says that the gun men had AK47s and these are powerful guns so where is the blood and how come the guys head does not jolt back as he is hit in the head. Why do we only see two men and not three as being reported by the press.



I am not sure if the video has been photo-shopped but I do think that the police are playing with CCTV footage all the time so who knows.

This is what an AK47 does to a Watermelon, it blows to bits at a close range.


Nice to hear our world leaders talking about the murders as being an attack on our domocracy when we don't really have any and the reason the French put troops on the streets last night was to protect the mosques from attack and had nothing to do with protecting the public from these terrorists.

Politicians are also screaming out about the freedom of the press so why are the doing all they can to gag the press and limit our freedom of speech and putting the likes of Juilian from Wikileaks in jail over a popped condom fake story.

Also it seems odd that the 3rd so called terrorists has handed himself in to the police and it reminds me about seven of the 9/11 hijackers who turned back up alive and well.

if we keep giving weapons to the likes of ISIS/FSA to attack Syria and we keep letting immigrants in to Europe then its no wonder that these free weapons are going to end up on the streets when we keep killing people using US drone strikes
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:52 AM
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It seems just about anything being reported in the news is manufactured propaganda for one reason or another so it stands to reason on those merits alone it is just that. I really haven't looked into this much, been rather busy but watching the video, not sure about the recoil but very surprised half that mans head wasn't blown off.

I don't have enough info but pretty suspect.

It actually looks like he missed entirely with something ricocheting in front of the mans face. I'd imagine however, with an AK you probably see some damage to the sidewalk.
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:56 AM
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a reply to: VirusGuard

Looks to me like the shot missed his head and hit the sidewalk beside his head.

He was already shot when he got out of the car.

No evidence of a false flag. And why would they need a false flag? To justify what exactly?

Islamic terrorists have been killing people all over the world on a regular basis?




posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:56 AM
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i think it's early to call it a false flag, but no doubt the media twists and turns thing to fit a personal agenda, so anything they say needs to be taken with more than a pinch of salt.
this is one of the reasons i like ATS, thanks to the huge userbase we can gather tons of information from difference news sources and put the pieces together and try to figure out what is what.
I wouldn't cry false flag yet, but it's a good thing to always be vigilant, the media is NEVER on your side.
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:56 AM
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I have not had a chance to look into this story at all.

That being said, as this progresses and more information comes out I would not be surprised in the slightest to find many inconsistencies that will lead to many more people asking the question that you are.

Due to what many of us believe to be the SOP (false flags) of the elite for guiding of the masses through fear, this very well may be another one.

I shall be waiting for more information and look forward information from those who dig into it with that critical thinking eye and contribute what they find to this thread and the good old youtube world!

I do wonder about that close range shot from the AK!

S&F

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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:59 AM
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a reply to: Rosinitiate



watching the video, not sure about the recoil but very surprised half that mans head wasn't blown off.


Like you, I am no expert but as far as I know when hit by a shot from such close range it knocks you off your feet so I suspect the video has been played with but if not then I beleive we are looking at a possible false flag.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:02 AM
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a reply to: VirusGuard

No it doesn't....
This is not hollywood.
The deleted thread just like this one had many ballistics experts who all said bullets can act differently.
One question If a false flag why use real bullets?.
Are you denying that police man was killed?.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:03 AM
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a reply to: Jamie1

well you know, the people that are afraid the government wants to take away guns from citizens usually point to events like this and say it was a setup to make more restrictive gun laws.
Not saying that is what OP is saying, but it's an argument i'm almost sure you have heard before.
But like i said, the media says only what supports their agenda and the agendas of those that pay them, so it's good to be doubtful about most of what they say



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

Typically false flags result in actual death to magnify the effect.

Why wouldn't they use real bullets and have actual casualties?



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:04 AM
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a reply to: VirusGuard

do you actually know what a false flag is ???



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:05 AM
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ofcourse it is. except it is referred to as warfare tactic : creating armies on either shore.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:06 AM
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originally posted by: VirusGuard
a reply to: Rosinitiate



watching the video, not sure about the recoil but very surprised half that mans head wasn't blown off.


Like you, I am no expert but as far as I know when hit by a shot from such close range it knocks you off your feet so I suspect the video has been played with but if not then I beleive we are looking at a possible false flag.



I don't think his head was hit by the shot in this video.

This is kind of circular reasoning on your part.

You claim it doesn't look like his head was hit. So why do you think his head was hit?



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:10 AM
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originally posted by: Jamie1
a reply to: VirusGuard

Looks to me like the shot missed his head and hit the sidewalk beside his head.


I think that was just the smoke from the gun being blown forwards as if it was a windy day, not sure



He was already shot when he got out of the car.


Yes i think you are right but he was still very much alive when this video was taken and i didn't see any blood on the ground from shots he got when he was in the car.



No evidence of a false flag. And why would they need a false flag? To justify what exactly?


The usual like freedom of the press, police state and freedom of speech or did you not know that nursery staff must now report on three year old children that look like they might become terrorists ? You cannot make this stuff up.



Islamic terrorists have been killing people all over the world on a regular basis?


The USA is also killing people all over the place and we are the terrorists to these people that get killed and yet our goverments continue to let immigrants in as if they are kicking the bees nest and then telling you that you cannot close the door !



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:15 AM
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I don't think his head was hit by the shot in this video.


The men with the guns seem to have lots of ammo so are you saying that he missed from such a close range and did not want to waste more ammo ?

Odd that a man can die from AK47 rounds but we see no blood on the white pavement slabs but maybe it did pan out that way.


originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: VirusGuard

do you actually know what a false flag is ???


Sure mate its a red, white and blue flag

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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:22 AM
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originally posted by: VirusGuard

originally posted by: Jamie1
a reply to: VirusGuard

Looks to me like the shot missed his head and hit the sidewalk beside his head.


I think that was just the smoke from the gun being blown forwards as if it was a windy day, not sure



He was already shot when he got out of the car.


Yes i think you are right but he was still very much alive when this video was taken and i didn't see any blood on the ground from shots he got when he was in the car.



No evidence of a false flag. And why would they need a false flag? To justify what exactly?


The usual like freedom of the press, police state and freedom of speech or did you not know that nursery staff must now report on three year old children that look like they might become terrorists ? You cannot make this stuff up.



Islamic terrorists have been killing people all over the world on a regular basis?


The USA is also killing people all over the place and we are the terrorists to these people that get killed and yet our goverments continue to let immigrants in as if they are kicking the bees nest and then telling you that you cannot close the door !



I don't know.... I just think you need something more substantial than this video to claim evidence of a "false flag."

Since the editor of the paper was already on the Al-Qaeda hit list, I'm not sure they would need to stage the murder of 12 people to justify taking any actions.

What specific reason do you think they would risk that? So they can justify strongly condemning the attack?



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:24 AM
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The news media says that the gun men had AK47s and these are powerful guns so where is the blood and how come the guys head does not jolt back as he is hit in the head


He was killed instantly when he was shot in the head. His body basically went limp and collapsed.

As for the blood.... there's no massive explosion of brains and blood like in the movies. The bullet was travelling over a thousand feet per second and passed straight through and into the sidewalk. Blood takes a little bit of time before it starts to seep out of the wounds.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:24 AM
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I have no doubts that this thread will be closed.
We saw it in the Sandy Hook story.
No room for discussion of conspiracies I guess.

I won't say that the cop did not die or that he was an actor playing a part.
But I will say that when a head shot like that happens, there is almost always a contraction of the muscles in the body of the person hit. I don't see that happen here.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:25 AM
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One last point virus.
Isn't it a bit silly to compare a water melon to a human body?.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:29 AM
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originally posted by: VirusGuard
The news media says that the gun men had AK47s and these are powerful guns so where is the blood and how come the guys head does not jolt back as he is hit in the head. Why do we only see two men and not three as being reported by the press.


Maybe the bullet didn't hit his head. Maybe it did. Perhaps it passed through another area of his body.

The two men you see firing run back to a car, where one gestures at someone/something else. It is possible that the third person was waiting in the car.


I am not sure if the video has been photo-shopped but I do think that the police are playing with CCTV footage all the time so who knows.

This is what an AK47 does to a Watermelon, it blows to bits at a close range.


I am not a weapons or ballistics expert, and neither are the majority of people commenting here. The footage isn't very good, and that affects our ability to analyse it as a result. On examination however, i do notice a red mist appear as the officer is shot. As stated though, the footage is too poor to conclusively tell.


Nice to hear our world leaders talking about the murders as being an attack on our domocracy when we don't really have any and the reason the French put troops on the streets last night was to protect the mosques from attack and had nothing to do with protecting the public from these terrorists.


French soldiers were stationed across the city and France was put onto high terror alert. Soldiers were patrolling national landmarks after the event.


Politicians are also screaming out about the freedom of the press so why are the doing all they can to gag the press and limit our freedom of speech and putting the likes of Juilian from Wikileaks in jail over a popped condom fake story.


Political points. They don't like the media, but they will use the news and attacks on it to prop up their popularity.


Also it seems odd that the 3rd so called terrorists has handed himself in to the police and it reminds me about seven of the 9/11 hijackers who turned back up alive and well.


Why? He is young and may have had second thoughts or suspicions that he would either die or be captured in the end anyway. People react differently in situations.


if we keep giving weapons to the likes of ISIS/FSA to attack Syria and we keep letting immigrants in to Europe then its no wonder that these free weapons are going to end up on the streets when we keep killing people using US drone strikes


ISIS does not receive weapons directly from the USA. They likely capture the weapons in raids on bases and convoys. They also trade on the black market. As for immigration, statistics show that immigrants are less likely to engage in extreme actions.
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CX

posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:34 AM
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Must admit I saw this video last night and was curious, but for every video on Youtube showing melons exploding upon the impact of the round, there are vids showing the AK47 being shot with very little or no recoil.

I've only fired this weapon a few times on range shoots showing off various weapons (NI era), and I must admit it did have a kick on it to me, at least more than shown in the attack footage. That may have been me though, I don't know.

As for physical damage to the poor officer, I've been to many incidents involving gunshot wounds, a fair few suicides too, and not all were as bloody as you'd think they'd be. Some were indeed a mess, others not so much.

Back in the mid nineties I was in hospital getting patched up from injuries, and met an ex para who had a false eye, epilepsy and a few other problems. He was hit in the face with a 7.62 GPMG tracer round. I raised an eyebrow when he told me this, as i'd have expected him to have lost his head, but the docs said it had happened, on a training exercise. The round quaterized the wound as it went through, and didn't cause as much damage for some reason as expected.

A very lucky guy by all accounts.

Everyone is different.

CX.
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