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USA Today Avoids Charlie Hebdo Muhammad Cartoons, But Allows Muslim Cleric to Pen This Op-Ed

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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:38 PM
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In my opinion the best way to stand in solidarity with the victims of this atrocity. Is to celebrate and champion free speech in all its forms. Not just silly cartoons but all free speech. That is what those people died for. Free speech. Lets show the terrorists we are better than them. Not a lesser form of them.


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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: karmicecstasy

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: karmicecstasy

originally posted by: SLAYER69
People were killed over freedom of speech, USA Today runs this under the same rights.


People have issues only with one but not the other?

I think this speaks volumes.
Either these freedoms apply to everyone or no one.

Make up your minds peeps.


I totally agree. Everyone always screams free speech until someone from an opposing view starts to talk. Then they start screaming he should not of said that. Humans=Hypocrites.



There is nothing wrong with those cartoons being published. There is nothing wrong with this op-ed being published. Learn to love the free speech you crave in all its forms.





Yeah except...if there was for example...a high profile serial killing would you want to run an op ed by Charles Manson? Sure you have a right to, and you should have that right, but it would be in poor taste to do so, just as this is in poor taste.


So poor taste trumps freedom of speech. Got it. Is there a rule book out for all this stuff. Its kind of hard to follow all the, you have free speech until rules.



Nobody is saying that there shouldn't be free speech or that the Cleric doesn't enjoy that same right. He does. Nobody's free speech is being stopped by anyone who doesn't like what the Cleric said or what USA today said. We speaking about it, it's all free speech. You're confusing things...There are no rules to free speech so let me make it simpler for you...

If one of your family members was murdered and the next day the paper published a letter by the murderer blaming your family member for being killed, that would be in poor taste. Sure the paper has a right to publish it and the murderer has a right to free speech but can you not see that it would be in poor taste?



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: amazing

Free speech is one thing but threats of violence over what amounts to nothing more than free expression is a whole other kettle of fish.

You cannot in all good conscience decide to come and commit genocide toward others based on the fact that you do not agree with there freedom of expression and expect to be taken seriously. Which is exactly what this so called cleric and man of God is doing!

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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Its what the cartoonist died over, its what he gave his life fighting against. Threats of violence due to non-conformity to middle eastern clerics rules, rules that he is not under, nor has to abide by the laws of his country.

Why not show people what exactly he died fighting?

They brought the fight to our soils. Why not show what we are fighting against?

PS. that was NO man of God.
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

Why don't we all just create our own cartoons of Mohammed then. They cannot kill all of us and it would certainly make the point. But at what price?
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:55 PM
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what price are you willing to pay to live free?

Would you rather the extremists clerics take over and make our laws for us?



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:57 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

God no, i think you have the wrong measure of me, i was simply playing devil's advocate.

I say draw away!



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: karmicecstasy

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: karmicecstasy

originally posted by: SLAYER69
People were killed over freedom of speech, USA Today runs this under the same rights.


People have issues only with one but not the other?

I think this speaks volumes.
Either these freedoms apply to everyone or no one.

Make up your minds peeps.


I totally agree. Everyone always screams free speech until someone from an opposing view starts to talk. Then they start screaming he should not of said that. Humans=Hypocrites.



There is nothing wrong with those cartoons being published. There is nothing wrong with this op-ed being published. Learn to love the free speech you crave in all its forms.





Yeah except...if there was for example...a high profile serial killing would you want to run an op ed by Charles Manson? Sure you have a right to, and you should have that right, but it would be in poor taste to do so, just as this is in poor taste.


So poor taste trumps freedom of speech. Got it. Is there a rule book out for all this stuff. Its kind of hard to follow all the, you have free speech until rules.





If one of your family members was murdered and the next day the paper published a letter by the murderer blaming your family member for being killed, that would be in poor taste. Sure the paper has a right to publish it and the murderer has a right to free speech but can you not see that it would be in poor taste?


I would be mad at the murderer for killing my family. I would not be mad at the paper. Which has always been my point. People are mad at USA Today. I might of even wanted to read why the murderer, blamed my family and murdered my family. Sometimes its a good thing to know why evil does evil.




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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

I will live by choice, or die by that choice, but I am no slave.

I don't know about anyone else. I am simply not planning on tip toeing around the crazies because they might kill me.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:02 PM
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nvm
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:05 PM
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And evil prevails when good men fail to act.

Something our respective governments and authority's should keep in mind while dealing with these mindless xenophobic religious extremist types!
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

We have known since december 30 that ISIS was planning on specific targets in France. We knew this was coming.

The rest of us are next.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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I read there are 1.6 billion Muslims around the world.
You would think that the world would be burned to ashes by now and that soccer played with infidel heads would be a past time sport.

What one finds is that there are bad apples in every religion.

People getting killed over a cartoon
people getting killed because the Earth was not the center of the universe
people getting killed because they practice alchemy

the list is endless...



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

Well buddy i live in a predominantly Muslim area of my nation. Have to say i find 95% of the Muslim people who also share the same space to be most conducive, kind and well mannered toward each other and every one else for that matter. Should however the other 5% decide to rear that most ugly xenophobic and religious intolerant of heads im perfectly capable of burying an axe in it. There is a saying where i come from "It's nice to be nice" seems to apply. I hate violence but i hate evil little religious nutters with an axe to grind and an agenda to satisfy even more!
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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: Jamie1

This guy is full of crap Islam does mean peace and it also means safety AND submission.

I can get the Arabic English Lexicon on demand and prove this guy an idiot



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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There is obviously a reason they did this. 1) to receive lots of ratings and create more Murica Hoorah pride, with their brand the source of the pysch up. 2) to give a radical minority loosely associated with a religion followed by a billion people a place to voice their opinions, thus allowing reason 1) to exist.



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Oh I would think its less than 5% even, but it will keep some people willing to give up even more freedoms in order to appease the few.

I say don't let em have it!



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: rupertg
I read there are 1.6 billion Muslims around the world.
You would think that the world would be burned to ashes by now and that soccer played with infidel heads would be a past time sport.

What one finds is that there are bad apples in every religion.

People getting killed over a cartoon
people getting killed because the Earth was not the center of the universe
people getting killed because they practice alchemy

the list is endless...

But , people getting killed because the Earth was not the center of the universe and because they practice alchemy was 700 years ago.
We as Western civilization passed that times long time ago.Now we have people who want to replay the history.No way Hose !



posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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On the OP. Am I the only one who read this?

Editor’s Note:
This story has been amended to reflect that USA Today did, in fact, publish multiple Charlie Hedbo covers on Wednesday.

That is from the blaze story. Now I am in no way condoning Choudary being allowed to post an ed. He is scum of the earth. Just keeping it real.

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posted on Jan, 8 2015 @ 08:48 PM
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there are no moderate muslims.

all muslims believe those who do not follow their version of religion that they are infidels.

all muslims believe that if a person who follows their religion decides that they want to leave a choose something else that they should be sacrificed

all muslims believe that man is superior to women.

those who call themselves moderates believe wholly in this and will not speak out against any of this

the radicals are the voice and enforcers of the moderates.

if you don't think this is true then think again. if it was not true, then those who claim to be moderate would be working in lock step with the civilized world and pointing out these plots long before they happened.

without a doubt several "moderates" knew what was going to happen, but then why stop those who are going to do the work you do not want to do.

there is no real hope until someone who follows the muslim religion denounces this ideology and stands up for peoples right to freely choose



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