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I've never seen a 1611 KJV bible with 14 extra books
originally posted by: Akragon
Over and over and over again I hear people say "the council of Nicea was where they figured out what was in the bible"
Im pretty much sick and tired of hearing it... so im writing this so I can simply post a link and smile from here on in...
The Council of Laodicea is where they settled the canon of the bible... though it was not the final discussion on the matter
THESE are all the books of Old Testament appointed to be read: 1, Genesis of the world; 2, The Exodus from Egypt; 3, Leviticus; 4, Numbers; 5, Deuteronomy; 6, Joshua, the son of Nun; 7, Judges, Ruth; 8, Esther; 9, Of the Kings, First and Second; 10, Of the Kings, Third and Fourth; 11, Chronicles, First and Second; 12, Esdras, First and Second; 13, The Book of Psalms; 14, The Proverbs of Solomon; 15, Ecclesiastes; 16, The Song of Songs;17, Job; 18, The Twelve Prophets; 19, Isaiah; 20, Jeremiah, and Baruch, the Lamentations, and the Epistle; 21, Ezekiel; 22, Daniel.
And these are the books of the New Testament: Four Gospels, according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; The Acts of the Apostles; Seven Catholic Epistles, to wit, one of James, two of Peter, three of John, one of Jude; Fourteen Epistles of Paul, one to the Romans, two to the Corinthians, one to the Galatians, one to the Ephesians, one to the Philippians, one to the Colossians, two to the Thessalonians, one to the Hebrews, two to Timothy, one to Titus, and one to Philemon.
Notice revelation was absent?
At the council of Nicaea the agenda involved establishing the date of Easter, and more importantly the Nature of Christ...
This was what is considered The Arian Heresy...
Both sides were Trinitarian...
One side wanted Jesus to be equal to the Father, and the other side led by Arius believed that Jesus was most definitely divine, but he was subordinate to the Father...
In any case we know how that turned out...
but the bottom line here is this...
The Council of Nicaea had NOTHING to do with the canon of the bible!!
The agenda of the Council of Nicaea included:
1.The Arian question regarding the relationship between God the Father and the Son (not only in his incarnate form as Jesus, but also in his nature before the creation of the world); i.e., are the Father and Son one in divine purpose only or also one in being?
2.The date of celebration of Pascha/Easter
3.The Meletian schism
4.Various matters of church discipline, which resulted in twenty canons
~Church structures: focused on the ordering of the episcopacy
~Dignity of the clergy: issues of ordination at all levels and of suitability of behavior and background for clergy
~Reconciliation of the lapsed: establishing norms for public repentance and penance
~Readmission to the Church of heretics and schismatics: including issues of when reordination and/or rebaptism were to be required
~Liturgical practice: including the place of deacons, and the practice of standing at prayer during liturgy
Believe it or not people.... Dan Brown is an author of FICTION!!
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Akragon
I think the main point is this: The Bible is still a product of man, regardless during which council the books were determined. And the fact that it happened more than 3.5 centuries after the birth of Jesus means something as well.
I'm not trying to derail the thread or create an unnecessary debate, but I do know that when I hear the council (whichever one) discussed, it's usually in the context to point out that the Bible is neither devine nor infallible, due to its creation by man.
ETA: I do find it intriguing, however, that they determined which books would be in the bible after they determined the message that they wanted to tell...almost like they planned their agenda and then handpicked the information that supported it, instead of using what existed to determine the path of the church.
A good post overall, but once the "nature of Jesus" was decided at the Council of Nicea, i.e. that he was both man and god incarnate, rather than the other two main views, that he was all man or all god, then all other texts, groups, and teachings were considered heresy. That includes all of the more gnostic texts. Hence I must disagree with you, as these become not only expunged from acceptance but were actively eradicated, with the campaigns newly legitimized by the Council?
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Akragon
Thanks...in my life...Ive always wondered about all the stuff left OUT of the Bible as all the things that were supposed to or impied they...were to be in it.
And King James...an earthly king...who decided...as a man...what should or shouldnt be in his version.
And yet people, preachers, mimisters...all SWEAR by it. I think thats a bit hypocritical.
*Notice how its titled in every edition: The King James VERSION!
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: noeltrotsky
The master is nothin more then a story to tie the website together... It holds little to no relevance to the credibility of the site