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Sexual Terrorism Flourishing Worldwide, Allowed at Dalhousie University. "Suspensions" a Hoax.

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posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 10:38 AM

Sexual terrorism is defined as a system by which males frighten, thereby controlling and dominating, females.

A group of male dentistry students from Dalhousie Univeristy had a "Gentlemen's Club" on Facebook where they joked about drugging and raping women, ran polls on who to "hateFscrewK," and targetted several of their female classmates.

The University was told about this "Gentlemen's" club last summer, but did not do anything until the mainstream media ran with the story just before Christmas:

…..There are references to drugging women. Jokes about getting a woman unconscious before sex. How the men’s penises were tools “used to wean and convert lesbians and virgins.” There’s plenty more that hasn’t been reported. Their classmates were mentioned and pictured often. Back in April, one group member jokingly demanded a “written #ign [sic] apology for this sexiest [sic] email” about a female-only bursary program. A lengthy post in March, 2013 defines the group’s philosophy. The post criticizes women in their program who “cry” and those who the author claims flirt with instructors (“Damn honey traps!”).

……..Perhaps most troubling, three male Dalhousie dentistry faculty and staff members are praised by the group for their “gentlemanly” behaviour. One current instructor is lauded for being “under more heat for sexual harassment than anyone since” a previous faculty member. “What a boss.”

….Early in December, one member of the "gentlemen" Facebook group created polls so the group could vote which of their classmates they most wanted to “hate FscrewK,” and which were best for “sport FscrewKing.” They were posted on Saturday, December 6—the 25th anniversary of the Montreal Massacre where 14 female École Polytechnique students were murdered.

According to Dalhousie, they first became aware of the problem on Monday, December 8. Faculty were told a formal code of conduct complaint had been lodged. A week later, university president Richard Florizone told the media Dalhousie hadn’t received any formal complaints yet. [tsk]

In fact, formal complaints are not required for an ethics review, or for investigating breaches of the Code of Conduct. The relevant questions are, "Have the perps broken the University's Student Code of Conduct? Do the perps' behaviours meet Professional Standards?" These questions have not been addressed, except by omission. Dalhousie chose the informal, inappropriate "Restorative Justice Process," which does not allow disciplinary action, and makes the process personal, NOT a matter of ethics or professionalism. So obviously, Dalhousie's good with sexual terrorism.

Instead of taking timely action, Dalhousie gave the perps time to get their ducks in a row. The "Gentlemen's" first priority was identifying the "leaks." And the "Gentlemen" perps were confident throughout that the University would never hold them accountable.

More than 50 pages of Facebook posts read by The Globe provide a clear document of how the group reacted to discovering that someone had blown the whistle. Priority No. 1 was the need to manage the crisis and find out who had leaked the posts to female classmates.

One member of the group wrote: “Red Alert!!! … We have to get rid of the evidence.” Another man proposed “some kind of rapprochement with the girls … drafting a statement on behalf of the Guys Club.” A poll of possible options includes “do nothing” or “issue statement of some sort.”

In December, after students complained to the university, one member of the group tells the others that many faculty are aware of the allegations. “Just a heads up. Sounds very serious. Especially given the climate across the country given this sort of stuff.”

Others are concerned that members of the group showed the posts to female classmates, which meant they could no longer discuss their female colleagues openly. The posts indicate they were more concerned with finding the culprits than how the university might respond. “boys what are they going to do? .... Kick every guy out of 4th year? .... I think the bigger issue is who .. is showing the girls.

Weeks later, after a huge public hullaballoo, Dalhousie announced on January 5 that the perps had been suspended from clinical activities - but that was a hoax. A cruel joke. Fact is, dental clinics and classes are closed for ALL dentistry students until January 12, at least - not just the perps.

Janet Bryson says she has “no idea” whether the men will be back treating patients next month, but it seems likely. Florizone has already told the media he does not feel the men are a threat to the public.

President Florizone also announced that the female victims agreed to a "restorative justice" process (thus making it personal, not a matter of ethics, public interest or safety) - but fact is, many female victims (most?) did not consent to Dalhousie's "solution," or even hear about it until the Monday, January 5 announcement. "This was the first time that all of the women in our class (including many who are “directly affected”) were asked whether or not we consented to participate in this process, despite what you have been telling the media," students wrote in an open letter.

Open Letter to President Richard Florizone

….We feel that the University is pressuring us into this process, silencing our views, isolating us from our peers, and discouraging us from choosing to proceed formally. This has perpetuated our experience of discrimination.

….If, despite our requests, this matter is not properly investigated or considered formally as a Code of Conduct complaint, Dalhousie will send the message that there is no penalty for harming its female students in this way. You will be telling us that we don’t matter.

Dalhousie President Florizone continues to spout bafflegab about "just process" and protecting students - but he is talking about justice for the perps, and protecting the perps, NOT the victims. When he talked about "student safety" turns out he meant the perps might self-harm. Again, who cares about the victims?

Mumbling something about "privacy rights," Florizone even refused a request from Ontario's Royal College of Dental Surgeons for the perps' names.

Dalhousie won't release names of dentistry Facebook scandal participants
Royal College of Dental Surgeons of Ontario's request for names to be released is denied

edit on 7/1/15 by soficrow because: fix

posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 10:39 AM

Ontario dental watchdog demands names of Dalhousie students in Facebook scandal

Royal College of Dental Surgeons, which licences new dentists, says it has “zero” tolerance for violent, sexist attitudes displayed in student posts.

….“There’s no room in the health care system for this, ….Zero, zero, zero.”

Dalhousie won't release names of dentistry Facebook scandal participants
Royal College of Dental Surgeons of Ontario's request for names to be released is denied

On Tuesday, dentistry regulatory bodies in Alberta and B.C. joined Ontario and Nova Scotia in announcing they would take extra steps to ensure that men from the Dalhousie class of 2015 who apply for a licence to practise are of “good character.”

….The Alberta Dental Association and College on Tuesday called on Dalhousie to provide it with the names of the students involved in the group “if and when they graduate.” And the College of Dental Surgeons of British Columbia said graduates wanting to practise in the province will be required to disclose “any accusations or findings of misconduct while in academia.” A joint statement from all provincial regulators is expected in the coming days.

Dalhousie on Tuesday denied a request from the Royal College of Dental Surgeons of Ontario for the names of the male students in the group over privacy concerns.

'Course the victims' "privacy" is not a concern at Dalhousie - Florizone has consistently insisted that the victims must file formal complaints and identify themselves publicly before the University could act. Not true of course, but ethics, Code of Conduct, professionalism and published evidence be damned. This is the Boys Club: sacred, untouchable, invulnerable, inviolate and sacrosanct.

Under the informal restorative justice approach there is no authority to discipline anyone. ….under the university’s own code of student conduct no formal complaint needs to be filed by a student ...for Dalhousie to investigate a breach of ethics.

Somehow, Dalhousie has twisted this whole scandal to be about the perps' rights and futures - and to-hell-with the victims' rights and futures. [Insult to injury. More sexual terrorism.]

And the strategy is clear. The perps will graduate. Responsibility to determine their "professionalism" will be off-loaded to individual province's licensing agencies. The scandal will be forgotten by the time the perps are ready to practice. They're good to go, just like they knew they would be. The Boys Club protects its own.

Just to be clear: These perps are not "silly kids." They are men - men who have chosen a career where they are free to drug women and children, and be alone with them unsupervised.

There are 19 men and 19 women in the core fourth-year dentistry class at Dal. Thirteen of those men were members of the Facebook group up until it was shut down last week. Although there are clear references to others jumping ship or being kicked off earlier. At least seven of their female classmates were the subject of derogatory remarks. Nine other students—seven men and two women—who are part of the foreign-trained QP class seemingly weren’t involved at all.

….The university is refusing to release the names of the men involved in the Facebook group, as is the media for the time being. It’s likely there are men in Dalhousie’s fourth year dentistry program who had no part in the hateful Facebook group. Nevertheless, they’re now tarnished with the actions of their classmates. Names shouldn’t have to be made public for justice to be restored. Ideally, it’s the university who holds those responsible accountable.

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posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 10:56 AM

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posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 11:05 AM

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posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 11:15 AM
a reply to: soficrow

Apathy and turning a blind eye to deviant behaviour is the crux of most of humanity's problems.

... with no end in sight.

posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 11:31 AM
They knew what they were doing wasn't right..facebook losers..they do not have the maturity to continue working in the medical proffesion..maybee a few monthes at a rape crisis center would help them actually learn something important.

posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 11:49 AM
Florozone might just be trying to mop up his PR nightmare - or perhaps he actually is favouring them. Especially if they were promising students who would have been good for Dalhousie. Remember the Steubenville football case? They defended the perps like crazy

Its kind of a weird issue, I mean they're talking the same way soldiers talk together (uber-masculinity is sort of a bonding initiation)... but at the same time, given their profession, I think the public has a right to know that their dentist joked about raping unconscious patients... then decide for themselves to go there

posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 12:02 PM
a reply to: Ridhya
Its one thing to do so in private company..still nothing me or my friends have ever discussed(how/who to rape). Posting it on facecrap is the height of stupid..I do not have any part of facebook nor ever will..It breeds soft minds
To me this the other half of this story is about how people have been brainwashed to not think about what the write and who has access to it. No concept of private or what should be..maybee just as well they outed themselves as morons. If they want a chance to salvage their education and career do some time in the crisis center.

posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 12:06 PM
For the record there is nothing gentleman like about this "club". Talking about rape and the other things that were discussed in this group as laid out in this write up is something no gentleman would ever do. These guys need to relabel their "club" what it really is, a vile pig fantasy rape/hate gang. These guys are nothing short of scum imo.

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posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 12:27 PM
a reply to: vonclod
Hey, its better they didnt keep it in person, or we'd never know. Its better if they're (eventually) outed.

I dont disagree, not only that talking about raping people is horrid in general, but in particular referring to their window of opportunity granted by their profession. In the army people joked about equally heinous things... I think if the general public heard that too, they wouldnt feel so patriotic!

posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 05:20 PM
a reply to: CranialSponge

I agree.
...But I think the most relevant blind eye is turned to how corporate industry is contaminating and polluting our water and more with endocrine disrupting chemicals, chemically castrating our men and making them confused and angry about their sexual dysfunctions.

Men with erectile dysfunction (for example) get angry, blame women, and get sexually violent. They expand the market for violent porn, and normalize sexualized violence and hate sex.

It's a vicious circle.

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posted on Jan, 9 2015 @ 01:47 PM
Florizone? Sounds like some kind of chemical used in dentistry that, when used in certain doses, can be used to drug and rape their patients or lace girls' drinks at frat parties. "Hey man, did you bring the Florizone?" "Oh hell yeah, extra strength buddy!"

posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 08:00 AM
a reply to: 3n19m470

I think I made a mistake focusing on Florizone - he's just a lackey. Should have looked at the Board of Governors, and questioned their relationships to the perps.


Ex Officio

Dr. Fred Fountain, University Chancellor
Dr. Richard Florizone, President and Vice-Chancellor
Dr. Alan Pinder, Chair of Senate


Mr. Lawrence Stordy, Chair, Board of Governors
Mr. George McLellan, Vice-Chair
Ms. Joyce Carter, Honorary Secretary
Mr. Jay Abbass, Honorary Treasurer
Ms. Michelle Awad
Mr. William (Bill) Black
Mr. Robert Hanf
Mr. Laurie Jennings
Ms. Sherry Porter
Mr. Rob Sobey
Dr. Jim Spatz
Ms. Candace Thomas

posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 06:57 PM
a reply to: CranialSponge

A few days ago, Dalhousie announced University of Ottawa’s Constance Backhouse would lead an independent investigation. But Dal U just rejected the formal Student Code of Conduct complaint made by 4 professors on the grounds that "it’s up to the dentistry faculty’s academic standards class committee to pursue the issue."

Which is it? Independent task force or class committee? ….Student Code of Conduct breach? Academic standards issue? Both? Or none?

Who's so bloody untouchable? Where's the money?

Dalhousie rejects profs’ complaint about dentistry scandal

: puz :

posted on Jan, 11 2015 @ 08:07 PM
a reply to: soficrow

If the public sphere screams loud enough, they'll have no choice but to do something about it. Hopefully this stays in the newspapers and the profs continue to jump up and down about it.

I think it's safe to assume that Dal U just wants this to get quietly swept under the rug... don't want to have their name linked with such an ugly scenario, now do they ?

[insert rolleyes here]

What they don't realize that by doing nothing and hoping it'll go away, they're causing even more scandal for themselves if this turns into a public lynching.

... and around and around the BS game goes.

Ridiculous isn't it ?

Oh by the way, you're second link isn't working: "Dalhousie rejects profs’ complaint about dentistry scandal"
It took me to a failed dlink google page.

posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 08:17 PM
a reply to: CranialSponge

Thanks and hmm. Link works for me...?

posted on Jan, 12 2015 @ 08:40 PM
S&F for OP. I was looking for some of these articles yesterday.

I've heard, more than ever, of reports across Canada about on campus rapes or sexual harassment that the administration keeps a very tight leash on. Often they have "internal" investigations where the victims have to sign a confidentiality agreement, leading to their inability to report the crime if the institution fails to truly punish the perpetrator. A college roommate of mine transferred to the West Coast from the Maritime after she was sexually assaulted and not only did her rapist go unpunished, he was allowed to remain in the same dorm building as her.

This has to end. Our post secondary institutions are supposed to be places of the highest education and intellect but they become cowards and (un)witting accessories when these sort of allegations arise. Rather than seek justice, they cover it up in order to save face. College and University is a business now and so the sole concern is with the bottom dollar and public image.

posted on Jan, 17 2015 @ 03:55 PM
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

Just caught this one:

Journalist Corbella points out the comments were made on a private online page and says, "These young men would not have said or done anything rude to their female colleagues. Instead, they’d probably just ask them if they’d like a cup of coffee."

Coffee? More like a Rufi Colada!

[fyi Corbella: Rufi]

: @@ :

posted on Jan, 21 2015 @ 09:36 AM
a reply to: MonkeyFishFrog

UPDATE: The whistleblower is suspended too.

Who is the Dalhousie whistle-blower?

Dalhousie dentistry whistleblower asks for suspension to be lifted


Ethic al businesses honour the whistleblowers

….Whistleblowers... step outside the line of command and the hierarchy doesn’t tolerate such offenders. “It’s instinctive, almost tribal. People just don’t trust someone who steps outside the line of command,” he notes. “But to prevent ethical mistakes you must empower the whistleblower so they can withstand attack from the line of command.”

…….Overall, be alert to the dangers of line of command, group think, and following traditional practices without judging their ethical merits.

Oh well.

posted on Mar, 3 2015 @ 01:27 PM

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