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posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:39 AM
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a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Why is it expected that the majority of Muslims have to speak up and condemn attacks by terrorists who do not represent them? Everybody expects Muslims to stand up and condemn every attack, every extreme action. They are unreasonable expectations, but they are expectations which get answered.

You want some examples of Muslim condemnation of extremists? Here you go:


This page focuses on condemnations of the 9/11 terrorist attacks and other terrorist incidents since then as well as of terrorism in general. It is not a complete listing of all condemnations written or spoken by Muslims but is intended to provide a representative sample.

It has often been claimed in the media that Muslims are "silent" and do not condemn terrorism. This page is intended to refute that claim. Muslims have not been silent. Not even close. See also How American Muslims Really Responded to September 11 for more information about the Muslim response to 9/11. And another listing is at Statements Against Terror. Also Muslim Voices Against Terrorism. Related commentary at Friedman Wrong About Muslims Again , by Juan Cole and The Myth of Muslim Condemnation of Terror by Ali Eteraz.


www.muhajabah.com...


Fatwa on Terrorism and Suicide Bombings is a 600-page (Urdu version), 512-page (English version) Islamic decree by scholar Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri which demonstrates from the Quran and Sunnah that terrorism and suicide bombings are unjust and evil, and thus un-Islamic. It was published in London as a book...This fatwa is a direct refutation of the ideology of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. It is one of the most extensive Islamic anti-terrorism rulings, an "absolute" condemnation of terrorism without "any excuses or pretexts" which goes further than ever and declares that terrorism is kufr under Islamic law.


en.wikipedia.org...


On the question of whether attacks, such as suicide bombings, on civilians are ever justified in defense of Islam, Muslims in America are strongly on the less-violent end of the global spectrum. In the US, 81 percent of Muslims say such violence is never justified, a slightly higher share than the survey’s global median of 72 percent.


www.csmonitor.com...


“The undersigned, leaders of Islamic movements, are horrified by the events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the United States which resulted in massive killing, destruction and attack on innocent lives. We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic norms. This is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an: ‘No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another’ (Surah al-Isra 17:15).”


kurzman.unc.edu...


Terrorism cannot be born of religion. Terrorism is the product of corrupt minds, hardened hearts, and arrogant egos, and corruption, destruction, and arrogance are unknown to the heart attached to the divine.


www.themuslimtimes.org...


Muslim leaders have issued a fatwa condemning Islamic extremist group Isis, and have said that British jihadis are “betraying their own societies” by getting involved in the conflicts in Iraq and Syria.


www.independent.co.uk...


AUSTRALIA’s most senior Muslim cleric, the Grand Mufti, has joined Muslim community leaders in condemning the Sydney siege.

Professor Ibrahim Abu Mohammed called the actions of the hostage taker — who has brandished an Islamic flag adopted by jihadists known as The Black Standard — as a “criminal act”.

“(We) have been devastated by the recent news that (has) been circulated in the media agencies about the reported hostage incident unfolding in Martin Place,” he said in a statement.


www.news.com.au...


More than 40 Australian Muslim groups on Monday condemned the siege taking place at a Sydney café where hostages are being held by an assailant displaying an Islamic flag.

"We reject any attempt to take the innocent life of any human being or to instill fear and terror into their hearts," the Muslim officials said in a statement, according to AFP.


www.haaretz.com...




The Muslim Council of Britain has said it condemns the terror attack in Paris which has left 12 dead.

In a statement, a spokesman said: "Whomever the attackers are, and whatever the cause may be, nothing justifies the taking of life."


www.itv.com...

And here are some protests for you:


About 1,500 people have taken part in a rally against terrorism in Glasgow, organised by mosques and Islamic groups.

It comes a week after a car burst into flames after being driven into the terminal building at Glasgow airport.


news.bbc.co.uk...

Funnily enough, this one was in Paris:


PARIS -- In tweets, in street gatherings and in open letters, moderate Muslims around the world are insisting that the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) extremists don't speak for their religion. Many are also frustrated that anyone might think they do, and a backlash has already begun.

This week's videotaped beheading of a French mountaineer by militants linked to ISIS prompted heartsick fury among Muslims in France and elsewhere in Europe, torn between anger at the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and frustration that they have to defend themselves at all.

Herve Gourdel was the fifth Western hostage decapitated in recent weeks by Islamic extremists - this time, the militants said, as revenge for France's decision to join airstrikes against ISIS.

"He was the victim of a cowardly murder," Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, told hundreds of Muslims Friday, according to Reuters. "Islam demands respect of life ... The Koran tells us that to kill one man is to kill all humanity," he said.

The head of France's largest mosque called for Muslims to rally Friday in Paris to condemn Gourdel's slaying and show unity against terrorism, saying Islamic State's "deadly ideology" had nothing to do with Islam. Within hours of the call, the rector of the Bordeaux mosque, Tareq Oubrou, said French Muslims need not demonstrate in the name of Islam - but should be joined by everyone.


www.cbsnews.com...

I urge you to reconsider your position. Most Muslims are moderate and friendly people. Don't let ignorance and judgement cloud your perspectives.
edit on 7-1-2015 by daaskapital because: (no reason given)



(post by truckdriver42 removed for political trolling and baiting)

posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:42 AM
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a reply to: truckdriver42

Could you kindly stop politicizing this? Maybe at least get your facts straight? This has barely anything to do with Obama.

And again, from your own source here is what Obama said.


"I strongly condemn the horrific shooting at the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine in Paris that has reportedly killed 12 people. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of this terrorist attack and the people of France at this difficult time. France is America’s oldest ally, and has stood shoulder to shoulder with the United States in the fight against terrorists who threaten our shared security and the world. Time and again, the French people have stood up for the universal values that generations of our people have defended. France, and the great city of Paris where this outrageous attack took place, offer the world a timeless example that will endure well beyond the hateful vision of these killers. We are in touch with French officials and I have directed my Administration to provide any assistance needed to help bring these terrorists to justice."



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1



The videos depicting the violence should be removed from social media and the press should not be allowed to show it because there will be some malignant @#$^!*s out there that will be cheering on the attackers and every time they show it someone could be inspired to follow suit with their own attacks.

a reply to: Thecakeisalie Sounds like a sane thing to do but some posters would disagree and would like to plaster the magazines all over the place to "stand up for free speech"
So the terrorists, who killed people because they were expressing their freedom of expression, then win. Because France would then limit freedom of expression. So, they play right into the terrorists hands, embolden them to make ever greater attacks to anything they don't agree with, and the cycle continues.

Or you give the proverbial middle finger to the terrorists, and publish every single parody and satire this office produced in every possible venue.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:42 AM
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Latest Update:


Breaking News Feed @PzFeed
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BREAKING NEWS: Celebratory gunfire at Palestinian refugee camp Ein al-Hilweh in Lebanon in response to Paris shooting. Via @i24news_EN
9:32 AM - 7 Jan 2015


Source: pjmedia.com...

STM



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: truckdriver42




 car bomb going off in front of a Synagogue.


It wasn't a car bomb.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: truckdriver42

originally posted by: stargatetravels

originally posted by: truckdriver42
a reply to: buster2010

For them to even question it not being a terrorist attack says volumes about this idiot in chief we have in office. The guy literately trembles at the thought of blaming Muslims for anything.

The Muslim in Chief needs to go back to the 3rd world where he belongs..




originally posted by: truckdriver42
Looks like we had a car bomb just went off in front of a French Synagogue as well. Any of you Obama worshipers want to weigh and let us layman know if this was a terrorist attack too?




You should like raving lunatic quite frankly.
You're on here blathering on and spewing agenda driven bile that really isn't related.


Whats not related? Obama refusing to allow his minions to call this what it was or a car bomb going off in front of a Synagogue. Reality is something seldom practiced by you Obama Worshipers..

Obama no doubt has more vile for innocent cops that were doing their jobs than his murdering terrorist pedophile buddies here.
Are you real? I ask this with total honesty. There are people who actually believe this?



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: seentoomuch
Latest Update:


Breaking News Feed @PzFeed
Follow
BREAKING NEWS: Celebratory gunfire at Palestinian refugee camp Ein al-Hilweh in Lebanon in response to Paris shooting. Via @i24news_EN
9:32 AM - 7 Jan 2015


Source: pjmedia.com...

STM



I kind of Felt that one coming.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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Since I specified radical Islamist what exactly do you have a problem with?

And don't call my logic stupid


originally posted by: stargatetravels

originally posted by: Iamschist
a reply to: Shiloh7

This is horrific. I am thinking they should start denying visa's and immigration from those of Islamic faith. They have had lots of trouble for the past few years over religious issues. The three responsible I hope will be caught and punished. Might consider deportation for those of radical ideology. France is a beautiful country, send them back to the sand.




Yeah and maybe they should stop hiring men as day care workers because some are pedophiles.
Or perhaps stop hiring Christians because they might be like the Westboro rabble.
Or maybe depport all white southern men because they may be KKK members.

Your logic is stupid AND offensive but then the two usually go hand in hand.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: truckdriver42
White House refuses to call this a terrorist act. These scum running our country right now are just unreal. If its a Muslim perpetrator they actually go out of their way to not call it terrorism. Obama is the biggest joke in our nations history of Presidents.

Going out of their way...


The French want their Statue of Liberty back..


WTF?

If this is not a terrorist attack I dont know what is.

The whole point was to spread fear and intimidation for a political/ideological cause

That is 100% terrorism

No if buts or what ifs.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: truckdriver42

But everything you're saying is a lie.
Obama did call it terrorism and the car bomb wasn't a car bomb.
You're a liar and have an agenda, please stop.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:48 AM
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a reply to: the2ofusr1




Thecakeisalie Sounds like a sane thing to do but some posters would disagree and would like to plaster the magazines all over the place to "stand up for free speech"


Or you know, not groveling at the feet of terrorists and letting them win.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: OpinionatedB

Yes, it is too early to cast judgement. Until the authorities gain a clear understanding of the criminals, their motives and actions, no judgement should be made. Just because ISIS called for attacks on these countries doesn't mean that this attack was automatically carried out by extreme Muslims for that purpose.

What does your bible say on judgement?

“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you." - Matthew 7:2

It is not wise to cast judgement so early on and with so little knowledge of the entire situation.

As i stated earlier, i will wait until we get more information...until we have a proper understanding of what happened, and why it happened.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:51 AM
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They got their towels wrapped up all tight over a cartoon again. That is why the cartoons will never stop. They cannot defeat the ideals of freedom.

Islamic jihadists can't send in death squads to every news outlet on the planet. Publications should start mass producing and pumping out never ending streams of Mohammad cartoons in worldwide protest.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: daaskapital

So we have 12% of that religion living in America that say Suicide bombings are justified. I see more vitriol on ATS for Christians expressing an opinion but we are supposed to feel good that "only" 12% of Muslims in America feel they are justified to strap on a bomb and blow up countless innocents? When was the last time we had a poll asking Christians that same question?

Love the logic of the Religion of Peace..



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:52 AM
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Latest map of the attack in Paris:



Source: www.businessinsider.com...

And once again, there was no car bomb as earlier reported, it was mechanical failure of the car engine.

STM
edit on 7-1-2015 by seentoomuch because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: daaskapital
a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Why is it expected that the majority of Muslims have to speak up and condemn attacks by terrorists who do not represent them? Everybody expects Muslims to stand up and condemn every attack, every extreme action. They are unreasonable expectations, but they are expectations which get answered.

You want some examples of Muslim condemnation of extremists? Here you go:


This page focuses on condemnations of the 9/11 terrorist attacks and other terrorist incidents since then as well as of terrorism in general. It is not a complete listing of all condemnations written or spoken by Muslims but is intended to provide a representative sample.

It has often been claimed in the media that Muslims are "silent" and do not condemn terrorism. This page is intended to refute that claim. Muslims have not been silent. Not even close. See also How American Muslims Really Responded to September 11 for more information about the Muslim response to 9/11. And another listing is at Statements Against Terror. Also Muslim Voices Against Terrorism. Related commentary at Friedman Wrong About Muslims Again , by Juan Cole and The Myth of Muslim Condemnation of Terror by Ali Eteraz.


www.muhajabah.com...


Fatwa on Terrorism and Suicide Bombings is a 600-page (Urdu version), 512-page (English version) Islamic decree by scholar Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri which demonstrates from the Quran and Sunnah that terrorism and suicide bombings are unjust and evil, and thus un-Islamic. It was published in London as a book...This fatwa is a direct refutation of the ideology of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. It is one of the most extensive Islamic anti-terrorism rulings, an "absolute" condemnation of terrorism without "any excuses or pretexts" which goes further than ever and declares that terrorism is kufr under Islamic law.


en.wikipedia.org...


On the question of whether attacks, such as suicide bombings, on civilians are ever justified in defense of Islam, Muslims in America are strongly on the less-violent end of the global spectrum. In the US, 81 percent of Muslims say such violence is never justified, a slightly higher share than the survey’s global median of 72 percent.


www.csmonitor.com...


“The undersigned, leaders of Islamic movements, are horrified by the events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the United States which resulted in massive killing, destruction and attack on innocent lives. We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic norms. This is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an: ‘No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another’ (Surah al-Isra 17:15).”


kurzman.unc.edu...


Terrorism cannot be born of religion. Terrorism is the product of corrupt minds, hardened hearts, and arrogant egos, and corruption, destruction, and arrogance are unknown to the heart attached to the divine.


www.themuslimtimes.org...


Muslim leaders have issued a fatwa condemning Islamic extremist group Isis, and have said that British jihadis are “betraying their own societies” by getting involved in the conflicts in Iraq and Syria.


www.independent.co.uk...


AUSTRALIA’s most senior Muslim cleric, the Grand Mufti, has joined Muslim community leaders in condemning the Sydney siege.

Professor Ibrahim Abu Mohammed called the actions of the hostage taker — who has brandished an Islamic flag adopted by jihadists known as The Black Standard — as a “criminal act”.

“(We) have been devastated by the recent news that (has) been circulated in the media agencies about the reported hostage incident unfolding in Martin Place,” he said in a statement.


www.news.com.au...


More than 40 Australian Muslim groups on Monday condemned the siege taking place at a Sydney café where hostages are being held by an assailant displaying an Islamic flag.

"We reject any attempt to take the innocent life of any human being or to instill fear and terror into their hearts," the Muslim officials said in a statement, according to AFP.


www.haaretz.com...




The Muslim Council of Britain has said it condemns the terror attack in Paris which has left 12 dead.

In a statement, a spokesman said: "Whomever the attackers are, and whatever the cause may be, nothing justifies the taking of life."


www.itv.com...

And here are some protests for you:


About 1,500 people have taken part in a rally against terrorism in Glasgow, organised by mosques and Islamic groups.

It comes a week after a car burst into flames after being driven into the terminal building at Glasgow airport.


news.bbc.co.uk...

Funnily enough, this one was in Paris:


PARIS -- In tweets, in street gatherings and in open letters, moderate Muslims around the world are insisting that the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) extremists don't speak for their religion. Many are also frustrated that anyone might think they do, and a backlash has already begun.

This week's videotaped beheading of a French mountaineer by militants linked to ISIS prompted heartsick fury among Muslims in France and elsewhere in Europe, torn between anger at the atrocities committed in the name of Islam and frustration that they have to defend themselves at all.

Herve Gourdel was the fifth Western hostage decapitated in recent weeks by Islamic extremists - this time, the militants said, as revenge for France's decision to join airstrikes against ISIS.

"He was the victim of a cowardly murder," Dalil Boubakeur, rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, told hundreds of Muslims Friday, according to Reuters. "Islam demands respect of life ... The Koran tells us that to kill one man is to kill all humanity," he said.

The head of France's largest mosque called for Muslims to rally Friday in Paris to condemn Gourdel's slaying and show unity against terrorism, saying Islamic State's "deadly ideology" had nothing to do with Islam. Within hours of the call, the rector of the Bordeaux mosque, Tareq Oubrou, said French Muslims need not demonstrate in the name of Islam - but should be joined by everyone.


www.cbsnews.com...

I urge you to reconsider your position. Most Muslims are moderate and friendly people. Don't let ignorance and judgement cloud your perspectives.


Because if they don't condemn it, they are cheering it by default.
Probably handing out sweets to the little jihadists they are rearing like good cattle in their religious pens.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: daaskapital

The average Muslim only provides logistic cover for the extremists. There will be a serious problem of backlash against the average, until they themselves decide to hunt down and expose the extremists from amongst themselves.

So long as the average are willing to provide the cover the extremist needs, they are standing with the extremist. If you are not for me, you are against me, as the saying goes.

While they may not be extremists themselves, the ones who are not actively and openly working to root out the core problem within their community, that of extremism, are providing cover and thus are guilty of the same crimes through the cover they provide.

Its called being accessory and giving aid to the enemy.
edit on 7-1-2015 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: seentoomuch
Latest map of the attack in Paris:



Source: www.businessinsider.com...

And once again, there was no car bomb as earlier reported, it was mechanical failure of the car engine.

STM


Given the situation, I think it's rather understandable that a car on fire near a synagogue was initially misreported as a VBIED.

The perps still are at large it seems.



posted on Jan, 7 2015 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: OpinionatedB
a reply to: daaskapital

The extremists hide amongst the average in order to have cover. The average Muslim only provides logistic cover for the extremists. There will be a serious problem of backlash against the average, until they themselves decide to hunt down and expose the extremists from amongst themselves.

So long as the average are willing to provide the cover the extremist needs, they are standing with the extremist. If you are not for me, you are against me, as the saying goes.

While they may not be extremists themselves, the ones who are not actively and openly working to root out the core problem within their community, that of extremism, they are providing cover and thus are guilty of the same crimes through the cover they provide.

Its called being accessory.


Spot on.

They are the getaway drivers of the classic bank heist or the safe house provider. They are all complicit and are as guilty as the trigger fingers.




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