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$15 an hour isn't all it's cracked up to be.

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posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: justin366

I was asking him, he is a $15 an hour employee.




posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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originally posted by: TheArrow
15 dollars an hour minimum wage would take a lot of burden off of the US taxpayer by forcing corporations to pay for their workers instead of the United States government having to pay for their workers in the form of SNAP benefits and TANF grants.

You should not be able to qualify for government assistance if you work a full time job.


Agreed...with reservations. If a small business owner barely makes a living, he cant just magic more money.

And in most cases cant raise his rates.

It is the giant megacorps that need to pony up, this alone will begin to stimulate the small businesses.

Then years later after things have begun to settle a little, start bringing in smaller businesses on a graduated scale until it is an across the board raise.

This would be the best way under our current model.

We just need a new model honestly.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:15 PM
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a reply to: Jamie1

Your example is terrible because it completely ignores scale and compares two things numerically so far apart it's not even funny, it's tragic.

Is more like he's paying his employee 15 cents compared to his 15 dollars and the government telling him to pay them a whole quarter. Even that is probably under-exaggerating the scenario of profits to employee pay in most big businesses. What we need in not a minimum wage, but a minimum wage based on employee number and profits. So as a business grows, so does the employees pay, but small business are not as harmed as their pay rate is then determined by profit margin as employee number.

The problem is we have blanket minimum wage, which makes no sense and is completely illogical. It means businesses that can afford to pay their employees more don't have to because needs to stay low enough that those who can't can still pay their employees.
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posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

lol yeah i just seen that sorry.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:18 PM
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I ultimately agree with you and have had this discussion with my uncle the argument is if you pay everybody 15$ an hour you have to pass that cost on to the customer. which if the customer see's the price go up they might shop somewhere else or choose to buy less goods. With like you said the mentality and ACTUALITY of cost of living increasing.

But yeah like you said if you want to live especially in the city (where alot of jobs are at) 15$ an hour is just making it. especially in my city Seattle.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:19 PM
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a reply to: justin366





posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: TheArrow
15 dollars an hour minimum wage would take a lot of burden off of the US taxpayer by forcing corporations to pay for their workers instead of the United States government having to pay for their workers in the form of SNAP benefits and TANF grants.

You should not be able to qualify for government assistance if you work a full time job.


Agreed...with reservations. If a small business owner barely makes a living, he cant just magic more money.


If you can't afford to pay an employee, you can't afford to have an employee.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:21 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Use the system to become self sufficient. It can be a small business or land where you grow your own food. I'm at that point where I just want to be a recluse and work the land. I'm working towards solar and have an aquaponics system up and running. I haven't went hunting down here yet but I plan to do so. I don't have to fish because of the setup. Anything I can do to cut the cord, I'm going to. There's people around doing the same thing around here. We compare notes.

I'm tired of the rat race. It's burning down before my eyes. We all know the person who doesn't work , doesn't eat. A good strong work ethic was once praised. We're all John Henry now.




posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:22 PM
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originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: Jamie1
That's what happens with small businesses competing with the large box stores. The minimum wage increase is going to make it even harder for them to compete with their larger competitors. They will have to raise prices disproportionately to their larger competitors to keep in business. At some point they won't be able to compete.


That's exactly happens and other than taxing the very rich companies I don't see any way out of this.

We should tax them a lot more and give them penalties when they close down factories to re-open them in another country with cheaper wages to pay...actually, if companies would think ahead they should keep their factories in the USA, because it's gonna be a second world country real soon if this doesn't stop.


Who's going to pass the new tax laws? The elected politicians who were just financed by these large businesses?

The minimum wage is a war on small business. Plain and simple. Do you really think the politicians who are advocating for it are doing it for the "little guy" or for their campaign contributors?



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: LOSTinAMERICA

I want to do the same thing. Everyone is living a lie and totally blind to it these days.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: TheArrow
15 dollars an hour minimum wage would take a lot of burden off of the US taxpayer by forcing corporations to pay for their workers instead of the United States government having to pay for their workers in the form of SNAP benefits and TANF grants.

You should not be able to qualify for government assistance if you work a full time job.


Agreed...with reservations. If a small business owner barely makes a living, he cant just magic more money.


If you can't afford to pay an employee, you can't afford to have an employee.


Yeah, and that's why the minimum wage increases are going to force more small businesses to close. It's not going to affect someplace like target with $47 billion in sales.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: TheArrow
15 dollars an hour minimum wage would take a lot of burden off of the US taxpayer by forcing corporations to pay for their workers instead of the United States government having to pay for their workers in the form of SNAP benefits and TANF grants.

You should not be able to qualify for government assistance if you work a full time job.


Agreed...with reservations. If a small business owner barely makes a living, he cant just magic more money.


If you can't afford to pay an employee, you can't afford to have an employee.


Tell that to walmart, who makes billions from the taxpayers subsidising their workers.

Essentially the tax payers write them a few billion dollar check every year for employing slave waged workers.

A small mom and pop cant just magic more money. The big guys have it already, they can afford it.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:26 PM
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I built a hog trap last week.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:26 PM
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a reply to: Jamie1

And the fewer entities you leave in business, the easier it is to one day just move in an take total control of those remaining businesses either through outright socialism, communism or fascism. Bingo, endgame.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: Jamie1
Yeah, and that's why the minimum wage increases are going to force more small businesses to close. It's not going to affect someplace like target with $47 billion in sales.


Fine by me. Target employs 300,000 people nationwide, with less competition, that number could increase.

What's the matter, don't you like Target?



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: infinityorder

originally posted by: TheArrow
15 dollars an hour minimum wage would take a lot of burden off of the US taxpayer by forcing corporations to pay for their workers instead of the United States government having to pay for their workers in the form of SNAP benefits and TANF grants.

You should not be able to qualify for government assistance if you work a full time job.


Agreed...with reservations. If a small business owner barely makes a living, he cant just magic more money.


If you can't afford to pay an employee, you can't afford to have an employee.



Good advice.
Next year I'll just keep their Christmas bonuses, I could use a new truck.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: infinityorder
Tell that to walmart, who makes billions from the taxpayers subsidising their workers.

Essentially the tax payers write them a few billion dollar check every year for employing slave waged workers.


I covered this in my first post in this thread.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Good advice.
Next year I'll just keep their Christmas bonuses, I could use a new truck.


That's your prerogative, I guess.

Just try to buy something made in America.



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:30 PM
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originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Good advice.
Next year I'll just keep their Christmas bonuses, I could use a new truck.


That's your prerogative, I guess.

Just try to buy something made in America.


That would be a toyota



posted on Jan, 6 2015 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71

originally posted by: TheArrow

originally posted by: Hoosierdaddy71
Good advice.
Next year I'll just keep their Christmas bonuses, I could use a new truck.


That's your prerogative, I guess.

Just try to buy something made in America.


That would be a toyota


Or a Honda. But you would be better off with a Toyota.



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